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It's less impressive when you remember they're letting the majority of Indian children live with severe malnourishment to do this...
It's like NK bragging about their rockets.
When you don't take care of the necessities, it's easy to do other shit.
Like a person wearing flashy clothes, driving new cars, and living in a giant house. Then finding out their over leveraged and bankrupt.
Edit:
Downvoting won't feed the children Modi is sacrificing
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(23)00067-6/fulltext
You're being downvoted because you've zero clues here and you just run your agenda of hatred. You just want to diminish a country's achievement by bringing in different stats. This is typical of country-hating citizens.
As for how and what this achieves is ISRO is immensely profitable in bringing in foreign money to India. They do it by having cheapest and reliable spa e programs. They're uncontested in this area now and all space agencies including private ones like SpaceX pays ISRO for their satellite launches.
In case you don't understand in your blind hatred, this pays for India's space program and bring in a lot nore money as well.
As for the other countries trying, Russia just tried and failed, NASA has both manned and unmanned launches to moon planned. So saying other countries are not doing this is false.
Comparing NK rocket launch to this clearly how out of reality you're.
And finally, regarding your straw man argument of malnutrition, first of all it's exactly that - straw man argument or whataboutism which has nothing to do with this achievement.
Secondly, while malnutrition is a big issue and must be addressed, ending space program will do jackshit.
Even further, Chandrayaan 3 is not Modi's achievement anyway, so why bring Modi hate in India's success story?
he's being downvoted also because he's literally spamming every single thread about the landing on every community and instance with same-text posts, only the usernames varies depending on instance.
That too, but none of his argument is valid in the context. It's plain hatred.
All the countries with space programs have people in some form of dire strait. Starving, homeless, lack of medical care… Are you saying achievements like this aren’t allowed to take place at all until every problem is taken care of? I can assure you that at no point in civilization has there been times where someone wasn’t in a bad spot while society moved forward. Yeah, India has some big problems, and huge wealth disparity is a problem that many places face alongside India, but you can’t shut down progress because all the other problems can’t be solved.
By that logic we should clap everytime North Korea launches a rocket.
And there's not really any "progress" here.
Modi has publicly said he's doing all this space stuff not for technological/scientific advancement.
It's a PR campaign to make foreigners think India is a world power. And to pay for it, he's letting the "lower caste" people go thru hell
Honestly, I thought people wouldn't be dumb enough to fall for it. But I guess Modi was right, here you are defending him
Modi can be relegated to the annals of history for all I care, your assertion that this program was a waste is blatantly incorrect. 40% of Indian children are malnourished compared to 17% in the US. Indians don't have to sell blood to survive, and primary care is available to all citizens. Rx prices are controlled, and abortion has been legal for decades, and recently has been made free as well. The govt doesn't have just one mandate, and this is an achievement of the space organization not politicians. No one is implying modi was actually sitting and working to land the space craft.
Regardless of OP's accuracy, you're still defending a literal fascist.
Ok brand new account with no other comments pretending pre-covid numbers are the same as 2023.
Easy block tho, I won't be missing anything
I really hope you poopoo every achievement from every other major space program, because all of them have skeletons in their closets. America doesn’t just starve its children (it does that), but it literally shoots them. Russia is, well, Russia. China sucks. They all suck. Some suck more than others but they’re all shit.
That’s NEVER going to change. So let people have small victories now and then. Progress is progress.
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Yep fuck every space program. And fuck Modi the overt fascist even more.
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North Korean rockets are war machines, they don't even go to space.
Nah, it's still very impressive. The two things aren't necessarily related and you've presented zero evidence that they are. The entire idea that India's options were "feed kids or go to space" is reductive to the point of absurdity. They could do both.
In any case, exploring our solar system isn't a luxury akin to owning a sports car. It's science. It's pushing the boundaries of human knowledge. It is incredibly valuable in a way that's hard to quantify.
And quite frankly, Modi had precious little to do with this. He's a politician and this happened while he was in power. That's it. It's not like he was in the control room giving directions or turning a screwdriver or something.
India has a lot of problems, but investing in ISRO isn't one of them. Satellites help in weather forecasting, cyclone monitoring, navigation and planning. ISRO also makes money by launching foreign satellites.
"Majority" of Indian children?
Last released day was pre-covid and was in the high 40 percents...
Do you think the last couple years with COVID and Modi re-priotizing space missions has helped them?
Or do you think they got that last 3-5% to put them over 50%?
There has been a rapid decline in poverty in India in recent years. Why would that have suddenly reversed? Especially as a result of space missions? According to this article the Indian space program gets a budget of about $1.5 billion per year, which isn't particularly much for a country with the 5th largest economy in the world.
Unless you live in one of the areas where there's a lot of Muslims or lower castes, then it's been increasing
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(23)00067-6/fulltext
Those numbers are the kids who have it so bad they go 24 hours without any food...
And this is the fault of the Indian space program, somehow?
Look, nobody here is saying Modi is awesome or that poverty and sectarianism doesn't suck. But jumping in to unrelated threads to rant about it is kind of annoying. Especially this copypasting of the same big block of text from the same article over and over.
Then go join a Lemmy community that's focused on activism. I get it, I'm absolutely furious at these numbers and how many kids are suffering, and that a democraticly-elected leader is targeting a specific ethnic group is even worse, it's just that no one tapped or clicked this topic to find anything that wasn't related to space travel.
Please, for the sake of succeeding in your cause, go post somewhere that is designed for activism like Change.org
Pasting my reply in a separate comment by OP here.
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Ah.. this person is a complete utter Indian/Modi hater. Read their comment history. I've replied to them in a previous comment related to India space techs. He kept throwing arguments that I believed in a (supposedly) Indian propaganda and Modi kept his people starving backed this same reference. When I see this post I wonder if they would be here throwing the same hatred. Lo and behold, who have I found.
Edit. I've found their previous comment thread. Their comment began quite sound but getting ridiculous down the thread. According to them, It seemed no matter what, Indian space techs just an illusionary accomplishments where any other country can achieve (which is not true as my I put out a reply that my country can't, and likely so for many other countries) and India shouldn't invest in techs because their citizens are starving - which is ridiculous to me as we need to invest in knowledge to progress. Every country has to deal with countless domestic issues but that shouldn't stop them progressing technology wise.