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[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 35 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I thought that there was no way this was unpaid and that the ambassadors would get Framework tech. Nope. You have to already own it. Doesn’t even seem like it comes with a discount even?

I am a product “ambassador” for several things in the gaming world. I get access to new things earlier and at a discounted rate. I get free promotional items that actually have some value. I sometimes get a per diem if I do certain events. I feel valued. I don’t get that vibe at all from this.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And how much do these products you're an ambassador of cost?

And are these new start-ups, or mega-companies?

[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Game promos are usually expensive long-term because they’re produced in limited batches.

Most board game companies run off Kickstarter. Your distinction doesn’t really apply because it’s not normal to get external funding. Framework just hit their Series A which, usually, includes money for marketing and running in the red. Board game companies usually can’t run in the red.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're comparing board game companies with a laptop manufacturing company, right?

A company manufacturing a laptop like the Framework laptop is not just sourcing parts and assembling them together. There's a LOT of work put in it, way more than some board game.

Their laptop costs in the thousands, and given their (so far) niche market, I can see why it isn't feasible for them to give away these expensive to manufacture machines to community ambassadors.

[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That explanation runs counter to my experience with VC-funded companies, marketing budgets, and running in the red in general. Trying to hit as much of the total addressable market as possible means burning money. Notice how I expanded and included discounts? You don’t even get a 5% off code. Framework is making a profit so they can lose margin on a low percentage (if they’re not making a profit then there’s no reason to not throw away more to get closer to TAM anyway).

Board games run in the thousands for some of the bigger ticket items. I’m not sure you understand either market. I regularly crowdfund packages that are more than at least 25% of the Framework prices I’m skimming now.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Thanks for the insight.

[–] bitfucker@programming.dev -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They are specifically searching for volunteers. So it makes sense that they are searching for an owner and active user of their product instead of a random person that may or may not understand their product value. If you are requiring payment to be their ambassador then you are working for them not volunteering.

[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You’ve done a great job summarizing the bad things they’re doing!

[–] bitfucker@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't know man. If I have a framework laptop AND I regularly attend computer events of some sort, the framework ambassador programs do not sound all that different than the usual but you got free merch. That is the people they are targeting. You can even say their fanboy or whatever equivalent.

Ultimately, framework knows there are people that are actively using their products, attending events and love to talk about their products. This can be seen in another way of framework giving those people free merch for their free marketing that they always do anyway.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 2 months ago

I agree that it can be viewed that way. I wish they would have worded it accordingly.

„We would like to award i our die hard fans with free merch through our ambassador programme. Please email us if you: 1. own a framework device, 2. regularly attend conferences, 3. like to talk about framework to new people. In this case you‘re eligible for our ambassador programme and to free merch and other cool stuff.“

In harsh opposition to searching for people working for free for a (albeit good meaning I suppose) for profit company.