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Arguably all the way back to Nixon, but definitely by Reagan.
This. Reagan in particular just lovedb nothing more than knocking the supports out from under bridges. Fucking old bastard.
I’d say when FDR replaced Henry Wallace with the more right-leaning Truman.
Wallace wanted to pass a civil rights bill.
Truman dropped nuclear bombs on 2 civilian cities and was more interested in kick-starting the red scare than expanding upon the programs and policies FDR clearly laid out in his last days on literal record as president with things like a proposed 2nd Bill of Rights.
You can also assign some more blame to FDR for not having the masterminds of the Business Plot hanged.
WW2 was all about bombing civilian cities.
London, Dresden, they were all targets. Bombs and war were much less precise then. Taking out manufacturing capability was a valid tactic and part of that meant killing workers.
The stuff passed during Nixon's presidency was mostly not bad, because he had a progressive congress and knew it was good for his public image if he went along with their stuff (and took credit for their successes), but Nixon realized Southern Strategy, and his presidency perhaps marked the start of descent into incivility and absurdity in politics. He was a piece of shit in every regard imaginable, but he wasn't an obstructionist afaik.
Reagan is where policy took a SHARP dive, straight into the ground. He was the next step which was allowed by Nixon turning national politics into a rapid-fire shit-spewing competition.
I won’t necessarily speaking on policy, but more-so as a time-frame of when certain lines were crossed.
With Nixon, the Nixon Goes to China moment could be argued was the point in time which ultimately lead to massive off-shoring/out-sourcing that gutted America’s manufacturing industries and set the middle-class on its downward spiral.
Then there was his prolonging of the Vietnam War for his political benefit, at the cost of needless soldiers lives.
Then there’s the whole Watergate fiasco, which directly led to the founding of Fox News.
Calling opening relations with China as a negative is a bad take.
The companies that sold out the skeleton of the USA, by screwing the employees to pay shareholders and executives, are to blame for the current situation.
Was the EPA also a negative move to you?
Reagan led the charge but there was also folks like Gingrich and Armey doing stuff like the Contract with America (Heritage Foundation endorsed) and pushing to never let the dems have a win, and always oppose whatever they do.
I'm of the opinion that sunshine laws also fucked things up but that's a whole other discussion.
I apologize for steering the conversation toward another discussion, but I'm unfamiliar with the Sunshine Laws so I did a quick search:
Again, I'm not familiar but, I'm not seeing a problem with transparency and advance notice to ensure transparency. What particular issues do you have with Sunshine Laws?
Sunshine laws for congress (Such as the Legislative Restoration Act of 1970, and the Government in the Sunshine Act of 1976) mandated transparent voting and meetings. I think you can readily imagine the issues that could come about if your own vote was public, in the case of congressional voting some things change but importantly it means that a lobbyist can nearly guarantee a return on investment. It should come as no surprise that the amount of lobbying groups and money in lobbying has massively increased since the various Sunshine laws passed. It also has led to increased partisan voting since now the parties can give the boot to someone crossing the aisle.
https://congressionalresearch.org/Citations.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20150506161647/https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikecollins/2015/03/28/buying-government-with-lobbying-money-2/
Nixon, Reagan, HW Bush, W Bush, Trump. Did I miss one?
I think the JFK assasination pretty clearly shows the MIC/CIA et al has been firmly in control since the 50s.