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During a recent episode of The Verge’s Decoder podcast, Logitech CEO Hanneke Faber shed some possible insight into the company’s view on one of its most important products. Saying that “the mouse built this house,” Faber shares the planning behind a Forever Mouse, a premium product that the company hopes will be the last you ever have to buy. There’s also a discussion about a subscription-based service and a deeper focus on AI.

For now, details on a Forever Mouse are thin, but you better believe there will be a catch. The Instant Pot was a product so good that customers rarely needed to buy another one. The company went bankrupt.

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

100 years ago there was a meeting amongst lightbulb manufacturers that all collectively agreed to only design light bulbs to last about 1,000 hours. They were known as The Phoebus Cartel and Included Phillips and GE. Up until this agreement lighbulbs were typically lasting up to 2,500 hours. The manufacturers essentially created the concept of planned obsolescence because people weren't buying as many lighbulbs as they wanted and it was decided to stop making longer lasting bulbs with higher costs. The whole thing started falling apart (competition of non members that were making bulbs, but they were all small operations, as well as patent expirations that GE had) and the start of world War two pretty much broke it up, as the Cartel couldn't keep everything regulated and tested due to all the travel restrictions and such. But it still remains as the first global wide creation of planned obsolescence.

Extra fun fact: the common light socket screw design/size has remained the same since 1880.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That is mostly a myth. They did agree of the lifetime, but it wasn't planned obsolescence like people act. The lifetime of a bulb is directly related to how bright it is. If you make a really dim bulb it lasts a long time, which is how that one in the firehouse is still alive. It's so dim it's effectively useless. The group met to decide on a luminosity target, which also is a lifespan target effectively.

[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, A dim bulb is extremely inefficient, it will use a lot of electricity for a very small amount of light.

On the other hand you can make very efficient lightbulb that will be very bright for a small amount of electricity but last only for a few minutes.

The 1000 hours limits is a nice middle ground.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And what of the noble gas filled bulbs that were both brighter and longer lasting?

[–] Smokeless7048@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

i mean, all incandecant bulbs are filled with a noble gas, Argon. If they didnt any bulb would have a lifespan measured in seconds.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 months ago

Back in the 1920's and earlier they were commonly just in a vacuum.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not if you read/believe most of the info on the wiki. US government fined GE over it in 1949.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No, even the wiki (under "purpose") says the myth is probably not true. It was a cartel though, and therefore illegal in many/most places. It just wasn't because the planned obsolescence. Lowering lifespan also led to selling more bulbs though, so it was useful for that.