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Is defederation from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works still necessary? (beehaw.org)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by theangriestbird@beehaw.org to c/support@beehaw.org

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This is more of a question for the admins, but this can certainly be a more open discussion.

Per this thread, beehaw defederated from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works two months ago, around the time that the reddit exodus was happening. Lemmy was blowing up, those instances had an open sign-up policy, and this meant that admins of other instances (like Beehaw) that wanted to heavily moderate their communities became quickly overwhelmed with the number of users from these two instances. Beehaw defederated to make the workload more realistic.

Two months on, I'm wondering if this defederation is still necessary. It seems to me that Lemmy overall has slowed down a lot, and maybe the flow of users from these outside servers would not be as overwhelming as it was before? I respect the decision of the admins one way or the other - I know that the lack of moderation tools was another factor in this decision. I'm just curious if this is something that has been considered recently?

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[–] Antik@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I really don't get the "oversight" part of keeping someone who is banned from a community on the moderator team there. Can you give me an example how this would make sense?

The modlog breaking XXXX amount of days bug was reported to the devs by me btw. And it was fixed on 12/08: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/pull/2058

It just feels like you are looking for excuses to keep defederated while there is no actual problem that can not be handled by working together as admins. We've always said we are open to discuss actions but you've always said when the "when modtools are available". Now it's a culture problem - how are Lemmy World users different from lemm.ee, midwest.social, programming.dev or other instances? And what do you propose should be done to tackle these issues?

[–] Lionir@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

I really don’t get the “oversight” part of keeping someone who is banned from a community on the moderator team there. Can you give me an example how this would make sense?

Oversight as in, "I would never think this would not work so I commited a mistake".

We’ve always said we are open to discuss actions but you’ve always said when the “when modtools are available”.

And I stand by that.

And what do you propose should be done to tackle these issues?

I generally think that Lemmy.world's focus on growth while being the biggest instance results in a bad site culture but I still think this problem can be tamed on our side with better mod tools.