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[–] Plume@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1055 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (20 children)

People. We, the French, pulled a left-wing coalition out of our asses in less than a week and managed to "win" an election. You have months. Hope is permitted.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 129 points 5 months ago

It's very true. We've been brainwashed into a year long campaign mostly because it generates a lot of money for various parties but prior elections have proven it's mostly what happens in the last month that makes a difference.

Y'all are lucky you can make coalitions, though. This is more akin to your election if you only had centrists and far right running. Two party system and all that.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 97 points 5 months ago

I think you'll start to see a lot more excitement in the next few weeks.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 39 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

So we need a French immigrant to help fix the government?

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 28 points 5 months ago (19 children)

"Hope and change" is back in it to win it.

Motherfucking Obama at it again.

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[–] NewAgeOldPerson@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can someone find the "hope is kindled" gif from LoTR Return of the King? When Pipin lights the beacon of Minas Tirith. I can't find it.

[–] Wiz@midwest.social 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] NewAgeOldPerson@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

You are a wonderful human. May you find 20 bucks in a pocket of the next coat you put on

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

Thanks for your support! And very happy to see your success in France.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You, the French, have not been the target of a 40 year war against public education by the right wing. Americans are on average significantly less capable of rational thought because of it. Source: I am an American raised in the crippled education system I mentioned before.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 35 points 5 months ago (27 children)

It’s a bit naive to think Western Europe hasn’t been under attack from the right wing at least as long as the US has. They’ve had wars over it that never really reached US shores, and it never really went away. All of the strategies that have been used in the US were piloted and honed in Europe – look up the activities there by Manafort, Stone, Bannon, etc. all the same names who have been implementing the shit you’re seeing in the US were active in Western and Eastern Europe years before this. It’s been going on there far longer.

It’s amazing to me that people in the US haven’t been paying attention to what’s gone on there and learning from their successes.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

A "long" election campaign in the UK is 6 weeks. In 1992 they had one that was just 30 days.

Months is plenty of time, especially in the modern world. Maybe 250 years ago it was necessary to campaign for months on end so that the candidate could personally travel by train to every state. But, with modern media (both traditional and social), there's no real reason for campaigns to be as long as they are. The only reason they're this long is that the thought is that the earlier you start campaigning, the better. So, each side keeps starting earlier and earlier, making it effectively into a neverending campaign cycle.

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[–] Wiz@midwest.social 12 points 5 months ago

Thank you, French. You're awesome. I was losing hope, and yet a miracle happened.

Good job.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Props to the French voters for shutting out the Rally.

Most of the French voters.

Damn good job in the second round.

[–] Srh@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Well spoken.

A few months in politics is an eternity. Yes, things are chaotic right now, but this is short term. We can unify after this. And we can win.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We don't really do coalitions here. Our voting system doesn't allow for it.

It does happen within Congress itself though, when different sects of the two parties cross the aisle to join with the other party on certain issues. But since Congress doesn't elect a prime minister, it doesn't happen for the presidency.

[–] Plume@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 5 months ago

I know. You're missing my point. :)

My point wasn't the coalition. My point was that we had 21 days to cobble something together and not only did we do it, we managed to win with it. It's not about the coalition, it's about building a campaign. You have months to do so.

And you're about to say that Trump had way longer to do so. Yes. So did the far right in our country, which barely even campaigned because all of the media were doing so on their behalf for the last two years and we still managed to outnumber them.

Trust me, my faith in the Democrats is barely existent. But still, I think it can be done.

[–] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 7 points 5 months ago

Viva la France

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's a binary choice in the US presidential election, that isn't even based on the popular vote.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 3 points 5 months ago

The regime provides two choices, people do a circle jerk, regime gets their candidate.

Win win!

Unless you work for money

[–] Hammocks4All@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

Lord have merci

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Why'd you put "win" in quotes?

[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 43 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Because we only have a relative majority and now Macron is teaming up with the hard right (not the far right, the other right right that is not center right... Yeah, too much right is wrong) to deprive us of any path to government. Shit sucks. But it could have sucked way harder.

[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's also a strategic moderate move to keep the hard right from merging with Reform.

I'm hoping the left wing parties aren't locked out and still able to get progress made.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Cuddling up to the hard right might look like a strategical move but it never works. Normalising them only shifts the discussion further to the right. And let's face it... in this post-factual time where all that matters is the narratives, giving them a platform will only help to brain-wash more people into believing right-wing fake-solutions to actual problems.

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[–] xav@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago

Because, well, the left coalition came out ahead of the vote but then started to loose ground to political shenanigans. War is not over but a significant battle was lost.

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