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[–] bastion@feddit.nl 70 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Wokeness is not the issue with disco, et al. It's terrible writing, poor science even for soft sci fi, and too many cringey moments.

I get that some people love it. But the emotional resolution porn is, to me, just icky.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 28 points 4 months ago (3 children)

This sums Dico up perfectly for me. I consider myself "woke", I share the values they are advocating in Disco very much. But it's just. So. Shoved. Into. It.

It's not subtle, it's not something coming naturally to the story in most cases. It's just badly writen into a already badly written overall show.

And that, to be honest, is a shame.

[–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hardest part of liking Disco for me was I couldn't shake the feeling they stretched Star Treks skin over another shows pilot/first season.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

This actually makes a lot of sense. You might be right.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

I disagree that it's because of ''shoved'' or overt politics. It's just God awful writing and a terrible idea for a ST show. They made it a chronological story about one protagonist. There's consistent bridge crew we don't even know their names, their character or story, or even get to hear them talk besides ''there's a [thing] captain!'' Type of shit.

No ensemble stories, no stand alone stories, and very close to no science fiction at all. It's all just trying to give you high stakes action scenes with close to nothing else happening.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

For a great example of this sort of thing done right, compare The Expanse books to the show.

The books kinda glossed over the head of the fucking entire earth's story and plotline. In the show, she was a highlight. Also, a few characters were merged into one female character, and women, in general, were given more prevalence. Poly relationships were given good voice, and overall, things just fit and felt natural.

That is to say: It can be done right. Disco just doesn't do right, imo.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I never watched the expanse with that angle in mind, but after you said it I have to agree. Just says something about how natural it was done when it just doesn't stand out from the rest of the story at all.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

My biggest problem with Discovery is that whenever they see something interesting they have to cut to a reaction shot to every single person on the bridge but don't even show us what they're seeing.

My second biggest problem is the writing. They don't talk like Starfleet, they talk like people from the 2020s.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

There's so much wrong with it. Where's the 80s office décore?

If it doesn't have some elements of kitsch, it's not Star Trek.

Star Trek is NOT a Netflix production that can be churned out with improved dark, edgy, and abstract lighting, sleek sets, and dutch angle cinematography.... Star Trek is a series of Hallmark SciFi philosophy questions, set on fresh carpet with weird sculptures and props throughout.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Star Trek is NOT a Netflix production that can be churned out with improved dark, edgy, and abstract lighting, sleek sets, and dutch angle cinematography…

Well... It's exactly like almost all the others. Netflix managed to hit some 3 shows that got improved this way.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] bastion@feddit.nl 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I know. He and I are very close. My question is how you know.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] bastion@feddit.nl 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ah. Yes, one should always be open about one's entanglements.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Shareni@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Directions unclear: am now critical navigation equipment for starship.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 2 points 4 months ago