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I'm from the UK, my wife is from Singapore, and our son was born in the US. I really don't think it's appropriate to force him to pledge allegiance to the US, because he has strong ties to other countries. It feels like brainwashing.
It is brain washing.
Where I'm from children sing the national anthem once a week at the school assembly and usually a few other songs too.
There are typically no flags.
Germany: we sang the anthem about once a year if even.
But that wasn’t always the case, now was it
That's the reason we stopped doing that
Well we defeated that ideology! And then wrapped it in red white and blue and made it our own! so take that!
^please^ ^help^ ^us^
^maybe^ ^you^ ^guys^ ^can^ ^invade^ ^us^ ^this^ ^time?^
^also,^ ^it^ ^was^ ^kinda^ ^the^ ^russians^ ^more^ ^than^ ^us…^
Not russians, soviet people. Well, russians too, but also ukrainians, belarusians/belorussians, armenians, georgians, long list of other nationalities that now their own states and even longer list of nationalities without one.
This is one if even two a year episodes of listening to anthem less, but if even once a year more singing than Russia. Kinda better, but not that much in this regard.
Singing once a week vs listening twice a year like in Russia. Please fix. Don't be worse than Russia.
It raises my heckles and annoys the shit out of me. It's not the hill I'll die on though.
It's also a dreadful dirge, which in recent years has been "jazzed up" and now it is even more grating to he ears, as well as nationalist B/S.
It's also sung indigenous language version first then English which riles up the racists so it has it's upsides.
Your anthem is a dreadful dirge you say, is it also a bloody war chant too?
Because ours, in the first part that everybody knows, has enemy soldiers slitting the throat of our spouse and children as we hold them, and us taking arms so our fields are watered with impure blood. Then, many more verses about foreigners coming to enslave us and the need to fight to the death.
Also a nice, hopeful late addition in which our children have to vow over our crumbled remains that they will avenge our deaths or follow us in the tomb.
At least they don't require that kids sing it in school though.
I don't think they can force you. There was even a legal case I think.
They can't force you, but teachers can decide that your behaviour in class is uncooperative and your answers are bad, so you should get bad grades. Teachers can decide that when you report you have been beaten up by the Nazi gang in school that you are probably making it up as you are always looking for attention and making yourself be special.
I'm sure it will be over turned soon. Precident and clear readings of the US constitution don't matter much nowadays.
And we (the US) do it for soooo many public events for no reason! I was running in a marathon in Arkansas once where the host said that if anyone kneels during the anthem he will come and make them stand up. I just walked out after this and came back when the race started. There is only one reason: jingoism.
The irony is it was ruled based on freedom of religion, primarily.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette
When I was in school the pledge was always preceded by the statement "we live in a nation of freedom, participation in the pledge of voluntary. Those who wish to participate please stand, other may remain seated and quiet"
I remember when it first dawned on me how creepy the pledge is I began to sit and one teacher was like "what are you doing? You have to stand up!" so I explained that it seems creepy, and quoted the statement they always precede the pledge by and the teacher replied "oh I never thought about that" and left me alone from then on on the subject
I hope you don't live in one of these 46-47 states.
https://thehill.com/homenews/3256719-47-states-require-the-pledge-of-allegiance-be-recited-in-schools-here-is-a-breakdown-of-each-states-laws/
Stop posting nonsense, its settled law that you can't force people to say the pledge.