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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17199847
@Snowden
The DNC is the only reason you're not currently enjoying a second-term Sanders and a sane Supreme Court.
Yeah no shit people no vote protested, that was my whole point. And how did that work out? Not very well huh. Thanks no vote protesters!
You want to be effective in moving things left? You do that by voting for the Dems. Every time they lose, they go to the center to find voters.
And then they still lose because no one's going to pick Diet Republican over the real deal.
Except Bill Clinton won. Biden won. They learned from Carter and Hillary Clinton respectively to not stick your neck out. Even Obama was running on broad and vague "hope" instead of actually saying anything specific. Obama learned that from Gore losing, to not actually say anything and stick your neck out. So no, you have it backwards. They win when they go to the center.
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You doubt that Bill Clinton won? You doubt that Biden won? What is going on here. They won, and they won by going to the center.
And lol 5 downvotes for me and 5 up for you in half an hour on a 2 day old thread. Not sus at all lol.
No I doubt that they won because of appealing to centrist when we keep seeing in House/Senate races that actual Leftists keep beating Diet Republicans and Real Republicans.. also keep beating Diet Republicans.
And if you're accusing me of something, just come out and say it.
They literally win by going to the center. A center vote is worth double because you get a vote and you take a bow away from the other party. Every time the Dems lose they go to the center to find voters.
What are you on about the house and Senate, they lose there too. Bill Clinton had both for 2 of 8 years. Obama same thing, had it for only 2 of 8 years. Biden so far had it for 2 of 4 years. This is why progress is slow, because they lose that too and they need all 3 to actually pass anything. GOP can block with only 1. So they do to the center to find house and Senate seats. Dems have had all 3 houses for 4 of the last 24 years. Or 6 of the last 32 years. Or 6 or the last 44 years. That's why progress is so slow.
And I did say it.
Biden won because Trump fumbled COVID so badly. Also, whining about downvotes makes you look worse, not better.
Biden won by going for the center. Biden didn't run left, he ran center. Plus, when you go against an incumbent you run a center candidate, that's what he was and that's what he did.
And I'm not whining, I'm literally laughing lol. Like what gymnastics do you have to do to think anything else lol.
How did Gore stick his neck out? That election was a long time ago, but I don't remember Gore being some kind of radical.
Gore, who was famously a climate advocate, yes before and after the election. Hmmmm let me think about that.
They go to the right to get voters, regardless of whether they win or lose.
Boy 3 messages from you.
I think I'll just pull up my history writeup for you:
Ok I've had this conversation and realized that people can't do the math. So lets do it:
Let's evaluate the last say 24 years and when the Dems had all 3 of the House of Representatives, Senate, and Presidency. Note they need all 3 to pass pretty much anything. Obama had it for 2 out of 8 years. Biden had it for 2 out of 4 years. Let's add it: That means Dems had control for 4 out of 24 years. Read that again, they had control for only 4 the last 24 years.
And that can still be filibustered. So if you want the filibuster proof majority, then Obama had it for 4 months. Not years, MONTHS. Biden never had it. Add it up: Dems had filibuster proof control for 4 months of the last 24 years.
Look at those stats again: Dems had control for 4 years of the last 24 years. For filibuster proof control, Dems had control for 4 MONTHS of the last 24 years.
This is why Dems compromise, because they basically never have control. To get literally anything done they need to compromise. Take your pick, either 4 years of the last 24 fucking years, or the 4 months or the last 24 years. And you wonder why they have to compromise? And why they go to the centre?
If you want progress you have to give Dems overwhelming and consistent victories.
(Want to add Bill Clinton? That goes to 6 years of the last 32 years, and still 4 months for filibuster proof for the last 32 fucking years. Want to add Bush senior? Then it’s 6 years of the last 36 fucking years. Want to add Reagan? Then it’s 6 years of the last 44 years. That's right, 6 years out of the last 44 fucking years that Dems had control. And for filibuster proof majority they had 4 months of the last 44 fucking years.)
And you wonder why they go to the center to find voters? Because they never win. The left never shows up.