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Far-right palingenetic ultranationalists under a LGBT-persecuting dictator invading a democratic and sovereign country under false pretenses in order to annex its territory, looting its wealth, claiming ethnic superiority, and engaging in ethnic cleansing and massacres?
No, I think I know who the Nazis are.
Everything you’ve written here is accurate, with the exception of ethnic superiority. The current regime has been arguing that the Ukrainian race doesn’t even exist, that they’re just “little” or wayward Russians, which is why one of their genocidal moves is to steal children to try to prevent their demographic decline.
The Nazis would never have stolen Jewish children to make into German citizens after they enacted their Final Solution. Putin intends to swallow Ukraine AND her people, not just clear the land for Russians to move in. The “reeducation” of the stolen children shows that the point is to deny Ukrainians their own culture and heritage and simply claim it all for Russia.
A bit nitpicky, but someone is going to argue that because the actions of the Kremlin isn’t 1:1 with the Nazis that they simply can’t be compared. This is an understandable consideration under the view that the Holocaust was a uniquely systemic and thorough genocide of unprecedented proportions that the Russian attack hasn’t reached, but since the person you’re responding to is implying that the Ukrainians are the real Nazis then I imagine that that is not their viewpoint…
I mean, that is pretty clearly an assertion of ethnic superiority, just not of racial superiority. Though it dips into racism at times as well - bigotry rarely concerns itself with consistency, as with the historical abduction of indigenous children in North America and Australia.
Yeah you’re right, I’m conflating the two.
And besides, the Nazis did steal Polish children and attempt to Germanize them. So there's still that parallel.
You almost make them seem better than they are now.
The National Socialists did this under a leader who knew it was all bullshit. The current leader of the Nazis actually believes his own bullshit.
Putin is a delirious monster, but people seem to be turning a blind eye on certain things
My point: nazis, nazis everywhere
lmao
Try spreading propaganda elsewhere, please. There are neonazis in Ukraine, as there are in most countries - conflating this with Nazis being 'everywhere' in a discussion about Russia's similarities to Nazi Germany in committing ethnic cleansing and potentially literal genocide is nothing but whataboutism and bothsidesism from someone pretending to be an enlightened centrist.
I'm not spreading propaganda or whatsoever, I'm just expressing my opinion.
I find ironical that Russians are being called nazis when it's not a secret that Ukraine has a neonazi problem of their own.
Every country has had neo-Nazis in the last 20 years. Only one of Russia and Ukraine has acted, as a political entity, similar to the actual Third Reich. You are engaging in literally textbook whataboutism.
"Russia, run by a charismatic fascist leader who murders and imprisons his enemies and suppresses minorities, is acting like Nazi Germany by invading another country on thin, false pretenses, and engaging in genocide and other atrocities."
"Oh yeah? Well, some Nazis live in Ukraine."