I really hate that we are calling this wave of technology "AI", because it isn't. It is "Machine Learning" sure, but it is just brute force pattern recognition v2.0.

The desired outcomes you define and then the data you train it on both have a LOT of built-in biases.

It's a cool technology I guess, but it's being misused across the board. It is being overused and misused by every company with FOMO. Hoping to get some profit edge on the competition. How about we have AI replace the bullshit CEO and VP positions instead of trying to replace fast food drive through workers and Internet content.

I guess that's nothing new for humans... One human invents the spear for fishing and the rest use them to hit each other over the head.

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I agree with most of your points, but i don't entirely like the "this is not intelligence" line of thought. We don't even know yet how to define intelligence, and pattern recognition sounds a LOT like what our brains do. The hype is of course ridiculous, and the ways it's being used is just stupid, but i do think pattern recognition could be a solid basis for whatever we end up considering intelligence.

[–] Colonel_Panic_@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe it is human-like intelligence. It's dumb as shit, but have you met people?

LMAO

But yeah, I guess at its core, human intelligence and machine intelligence are both just pattern recognition, but I guess my point is that calling it "AI" gives people this false sense that it is something it is not. AI has been a thing in Sci-fi for so long that we all think of Data from Star Trek or C-3PO from Star Wars and similar. When in reality it is more akin to a robot arm in a factory doing the same task really fast and really precisely, but it isn't some adaptable all-purpose thing yet.

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That for sure is a problem with all modern bullshit technologies they want to hype in order to get people to use/buy it.

Look at smart tv's... everyone assumes they're awesome since they're smart tv's, that's of course better than a regular tv. They'll of course never mention that this just means that it's a tv with a 100$ android box embedded that they'll abuse to try to serve you extra ads, that they'll not bother to update so your tv becomes obsolete in a couple of years, and that you can achieve the same thing by just buying the android box sepearately and connect that to a regular tv, which won't make your entire tv become obsolete when the cheap android box doesn't get updated anymore...

So yeah, i can imagine you have an issue with it being marked as (competent) AI.

[–] Colonel_Panic_@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah for real.

Smart TVs, Subscription services, etc.

It's all just capitalism doing its thing, everyone racing to sell sell sell.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Pattern recognition is one thing that our brains do, it is a very long way away from the only thing our brains do.

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago

[citation needed]

But yeah, that's the kind of discussion i'd love to see in more depth :). When would an AI be considered intelligent? It used to be passing the turing test, but now that's being achieved the goalposts are moving, and that's maybe for a good reason, but what will be the actual measure :).

[–] Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

All you are saying is, is that intelligence isnt as smart as we think, that human intelligence is actually pretty dumb. That doesnt change anything about the current situation even if thats true though.

So we all agree its actually human level intelligence now, what then? Can we stop developing it and do something else now?

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Lol, wtf XD

"That doesnt change anything about the current situation even if thats true though."

Yeah, i assumed me writing "I agree with most of your points" conveyed that. Do you always imagine random things to attack instead of just reading what people actually write?

wtf O_o

I just don't like people being like "but it's not real intelligence" while we don't even know what intelligence is, and we're thus avoiding the one part of this stupid hype that could be interesting:: philosophical questions about our own intelligence/humanity/....

[–] Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do you always argue the most boring parts of any issue as a rule? You win the argument, congratulations I hope it changes the world.

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do you always change the topic to try and "win" online discussions? And act so unnecessarily hostile for no reason at all to people who want to have interesting online discussions?

I find the topic of whether it's intelligence the most interesting part of this. It raises a lot of questions. That the current hype is ridiculous that a lot of the energy expended on it is a complete waste, and that most of the ways AI is used is beyond stupid isn't even worth talking about, that's just plain obvious.

[–] Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think you might be projecting your own hostility there.

And you are just hijacking the AI conversation to argue about what the word intelligence means. I thought you wanted to talk about AI thats why I originally replied. When I realized you just wanted to apparently correct the public about their use of your favorite word, I decided this wasnt worth it.

Its sort of like you went to a bowling forum, and were very excited to discuss the mineral contents of the oil on the bowling lane, but got upset when noone cared to discuss with you because they just want to talk about bowling.

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dude, just stop. You're looking for things that aren't there. Period.

I find it an interesting question whether it's intelligent or not, and find it sad people throw out that question together with the rest of the hype. It's not "my favourite word", and i'm not projecting my hostility. You just can't seem to handle someone bringing any bit of nuance to a discussion....

And me projecting hostility XD. yeahhhh.... introspection isn't one of your gifts it seems XD. I'm the one being hostile XD. roflmao XD. I mean just here "your favorite word"... wtf dude, exaggerate much to make yet another pointless jab at me?? I'm not allowed to find this an interesting question without you painting me as someone who fixates on that one thing in the world and makes it sound as if my world revolves around "AI IS INTELLIGENT!!!!!!"... I'm not even convinced it is, but i find it a mighty interesting question that requires more thought than it's getting.

Sorry for trying to argue something i find interesting on lemmy. I'll just shut up next time and not try to bring up points you might not find interesting since you seem to take that as a personal offence, while you could have just shut up and let the adults have a nice conversation on the one interesting part of this hype.

[–] Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hey I'm just one guy who didn't like your opinion, did I really ruin this whole topic for you? Was there no other replier who gave you the debate you were looking for?

Seems to me like you think my opinion is just as stupid as I think yours is, let's call it even? And for the record, we've both been hostile. At this point I'm only replying because this is interesting and I want to see what you say next.

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, i've for sure become hostile after you attacking me because i dared to talk about something you didn't find interesting on a public forum...

Dude, take the loss and stop talking. There is no both sides to this, you were an asshole to me for no reason and now want to keep talking to evade the shame of having been wrong. I'm sorry, you were wrong. Learn from it and let it go.

[–] Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'm fine with being an asshole to you. I actually chose to, because I thought it was funny at the time. And now I think its funny how upset you've gotten over this.

Not sure if you've forgotten but I already conceded you were right: you just wanted to have an honest conversation about something you think is cool, but I think its stupid and I decided it was fun to tell you that. You definitely have nobler intentions and all that, I just simply don't care about your point.

Also feel free to be hostile to me, I'll be fine. I'm not sure what point you are trying to prove here besides "me good person, you bad person".

I'm not going to stop replying, because this is fun for me. Take that for whatever but you don't have to reply if you dislike me so much.

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

roflmao XD

You projecting you being upset onto me being upset XD. Yeah, i called you out, and now you're trying every troll trick you know to weasel out of it and get the last word :).

And if you like being wrong and want to keep proving to me how wrong and childish you are, sounds like a great time :). Keep replying and keep trying all those troll tricks to not feel like you lost a discussion on the internet, i'm sure it's worth it XD.

I must admit this has become somewhat amusing for me too, seeing which argument you'll try this time to somewhat save face :).

[–] Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Anything new to add? Are you really going to be upset all day about this?

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ah yes, now i'm thinking about you all day XD. It's totally not me coming onto lemmy, seeing i got a notification and seeing you going another round of embarassing yourself :). But keep it up :). This is funny to see :). You're persistent for sure :).

[–] Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Last word! :D

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Keep going, might end up having to write a little script to automate keeping you busy :).

[–] Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well I just figure I'll come back like once a day and check on you.

Hey so why'd you choose racemaniac for your handle anyways? Is it just like generic thing-feeling or is there like some sort of story there maybe?

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's fascinating which angle you'll take on next :).

Keep trying :)

[–] Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dang that was a quick reply.

I can't tell if you want to talk or not, seems like you do cause of how eager you were to respond, but then you didnt answer my question :( I just want to have an honest conversation about something I find interesting, why do you gotta make me feel bad?

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It’s fascinating which angle you’ll take on next :).

Keep trying :)

[–] Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I prefer 270° myself, its something about just how gorgeous that set of numbers looks, but also probably how close it looks like pacman about to absolutely chomp down on some ghost ass :)

What's your favorite angle?

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It’s fascinating which angle you’ll take on next :).

Keep trying :)

[–] Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It’s fascinating which angle you’ll take on next :).

Keep trying :)

[–] Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

Your gonna be my friend one day, you'll see!

[–] kelargo@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Naw, humanity needs to waste more electricity.