Sinéad O'Connor 1966-2023
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Context?
Of the picture? Or why it’s being posted about today?
Re: the picture - she was the musical guest (or host? Can’t remember) on SNL, and the protested/called out the pedophilia/abuse happening in the Catholic Church by ripping up a picture of the Pope on live TV. People got pisssssed and she got absolutely destroyed in the public eye. Turns out she was right. But it was never publicly addressed nor was she redeemed in any way in the public eye.
Re: why posted today - she died today. And is considered heroic for the above mentioned action so I would imagine OP was memorializing that moment on this the day of her death.
She led a sad life, after years of battling mental illness, she had lost custody of her son which sent her into a spiral and her son died last year from suicide, which turned her into a suicidal wreck. Her cause of death hasn't been announced but I'm assuming she took her own life
It's interesting that you ask that because that was the problem with her doing it in the first place- most people weren't yet aware of the depth of pedophilia scandals the Catholic church was embroiled in, so they just thought she was anti-Catholic. We should have known what she meant when she said, "fight the real enemy," but the news was just not that prominent, not in the U.S. anyway.
Please don't get me wrong, though. She absolutely did not deserve to have her life and career totally fucked because people didn't understand her message.
Most Catholics in the US were keenly aware of the abuse issues, it's just that they didn't talk about it openly, and the media was loathe to cover it for fear of being labeled anti-Catholic, as she was.
Source: My mother was a Catholic nun for 15 years before leaving the convent to marry my dad, also a devout Catholic. I was an altar boy, went to Catholic schools through High School, and grew up in the 80's and 90's. It was well known among the church and school communities which priests to steer clear of and why.
She ripped up a picture of the pope live on SNL, while performing one of her songs. It was a protest against all the child rape that the church has hidden. She basically got publicly destroyed for it. She became a pariah, and her career was ruined. It’s worth noting that she was Irish, and Ireland is mainly catholic.
Then a few months later, all the stories of the catholic rapes broke. All the kids (and former-kids-now-adults) started coming forward to say they had been molested by church leaders and the church had covered it up. People started coming forward with decades of stories. It was suddenly too much for the church to cover up. It was a big scandal.
But the damage to her career was already done, and she never got any kind of redemption. She basically went from being an A-list musician on the level of Beyoncé or Taylor Swift, to being completely unemployable overnight. And she never recovered from it even after everything she was protesting about was proven true. She died today.
Mate. You're on the internet. Is it really so hard to search something like this? You've got everything you need in the headline. Highlight, copy, paste into search engine and you have the world's information at your fingertips.
Don't be an ass. I read about this today and didn't know jack shit. If I didn't read the newspaper as much as I did I wouldn't know anything about this. This is worthy content that spread discussion. Why are you acting like there is nothing worthy in this post? some of us want to talk with others about things, not mindlessly search google like some borg collective member.
I'm not against the submission. I'm against the willful ignorance and the absolute lack of initiative on the part of the person I responded to... so much that they didn't even bother looking anything up for themselves before commenting with one single word.
Everything about Sinead and everything about the one incident she is most famous for comes up with just a search of her name. Searching the topic of this submission gives exact context. And it's one click away. https://i.imgur.com/uhXZj4w.png - Literally. Right click, search. It's built into virtually every browser now. But instead, people want things handed to them instead of being willing to learn on their own accord.
I do not believe for one second that a good use of forums is to answer questions that can be answered by the first result on even the world's worst search engine. What good is a discussion when it's only answering every question for people too lazy to look the most simplest of details for themselves?
If "mindlessly search[ing] google" makes one like "some borg collective member", then the problem is you, mate. You end up taking pride on your refusal to educate yourself.
"There is a cult of ignorance ~~in the United States,~~ and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that ~~democracy~~ discussion means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' " - Isaac Asimov
Be better. If you're not willing to make the effort for yourself, why should others bother making the effort for you?
Dude I just finished a masters degree in social sciences, I don't need a lecture on the use of search engines. Just trying to tip you off to your lack of social etiquette.
"I'm educated therefore I know more than you even though I've clearly demonstrated that I'm talking out of my ass and acting like a petulant child about it."
More power to you, mate.
No that's not what the point is about. You are intentionally confusing issues here because you want to be mad and upset. I was just outlining that I know how to search. I'm sure we agree on more than we do not but you are making it difficult to have a civil conversation that leads anywhere positive. Have a nice day
No, the point is that you wanted sit on your high horse and were even willing to use the "see, I'm educated" card.
If you're going to say "hey, don't be an ass," maybe you best not behave like an ass yourself.
PS: Congrats on your degree. Nobody on the internet really cares but keep waving that around when you think it'll boost your position. That'll always work. For sure.