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Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending Sunday 16 June 2024 (awful.systems)

submitted 5 months ago by blakestacey@awful.systems to c/techtakes@awful.systems

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Need to make a primal scream without gathering footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid!

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[+] wbpeckham@techhub.social -7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@mii @blakestacey I cannot and will not argue about your points, they're absolutely valid. The words you're using however are not correct. Nazis are fascists, as are these right wing monsters. They are antisocialist, not socialists. They are against socialism and against democracy and only for their own brand of autocracy.

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

"National socialism" is the term the Nazis invented to describe themselves. "Nazi" is the abbreviation of the term "national socialism". Could be good to know.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 23 points 5 months ago

also good to point out for someone just finding out about this:

(1) The name is a lie in the same way "the democratic people's republic of north korea" is. So Peckham is absolutely correct that the Nazis hated socialists and were not socialists, as evidenced by the fact that they tried to kill all of them.

(2) The modern version of this lie is pretending the Nazis were socialists, and it's a very common tactic in the far right. So Peckham is correct that we should not call them socialists, it's just that using the term "national socialist" doesn't actually imply you think they are socialists.

(3) They did spring originally from the fusing of former socialist idealogues with the far right. So as with many massively successful lies there is a distant evolutionary relationship to something true.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 5 months ago

rare that we get to recurse the stubsack that rapidly

[+] wbpeckham@techhub.social -8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

@mountainriver Are you really shocked that the name is a lie?

[–] self@awful.systems 22 points 5 months ago

no, nobody here is particularly shocked that fascists would lie about being socialists

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

don't be the annoying pedant; we're fully capable of understanding that the “national socialist german workers' party” was not a socialist party (and that a “nazi” is a pejorative and was from the start), that the phrase “marxist-leninist” is generally used to mean “left-authoritarian but want to pretend it isn't”, that the “communist party of the soviet union” was actually presiding over a project of building an authoritarian state capitalism, and that the “republican” party in the united states is trying to make the united states a theocratic dictatorship.