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If wanting to receive basic human rights (food, housing, etc.), attend education without being discriminated against for my income and mental condition, control my workplace, earn the full value of my wages, have a government actually controlled by the people, all while being politically educated in past socialist movements and their theory to achieve all these things, then I'm sure as hell am a tankie, and I don't care what online liberals say.
Stalin rules, by the way. β
You say you support authoritarianism, and then you say "have a government that is actually controlled by the people". ~~Are you stupid?~~
Where did they say they support authoritarianism?
If we ignored everything they said before because they did supposition, they literally said "Stalin rules". What part of that doesn't scream authoritarianism?
Seems more intentionally inflamatory than anything else, considering they literally told you what they wanted before that line.
What do you believe Tankies actually desire?
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies. -- Wikipedia
I use the label "tankie" on people who support dictators like Stalin and Xi Jinping and actively push for an authoritarian state. Not sure if them putting "Stalin rules, by the way. β" was not serious and/or intentionally inflamatory.
They don't count as a tankie then, they quite plainly told you they wanted a democratically controlled state. Or is democracy authoritarian, in your view?
Nope. As I said, not sure if them putting βStalin rules, by the way. ββ was not serious and/or intentionally inflammatory.
If they used it seriously, as in supporting Stalin and his acts, don't they still count as a tankie?
They never said they supported authoritarianism, they claim to support democracy.
As for Stalin support, I believe it's being intentionally inflamatory and framed against support for a democratic state precisely to challenge the reader's assumptions about how the USSR actually functioned. I don't take it as saying "yes, Stalin absolutely should have recriminalized homosexuality" or anything, but we can't know beyond what they have stated.
Why does Stalin "rule"? This is a question from a fellow "leftist."
Either ignorant, or you're just a really bad person. Just such a stupid fucking thing to say. Take a step back from the Internet and read a book. Saying "Stalin rules β" doesn't make you cool, it just makes you look like an idiot.
Stalin was a paranoid, murderous dictator responsible for the unnecessary deaths of countless millions of people. Or does it not count because he didn't murder them himself?
Can't wait to hear about how the holomodor wasn't his fault...
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
You are engaging in what is known as the "double genocide" theory, which is a soft form of Holocaust denial. Cut that shit out, you are repeating literal nazi propaganda.