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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
 

no one fucking told me about states banning RCV during all that yapping on here about how i should VOTE THIRD PARTY OR ELSE IM COMPLICIT in the DNCs CRIMES

it may or may not be joever, very blackpilled at this moment

edit it’s actually 10 states. 5 in the past two months.

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[–] ilost7489@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's a system designed to keep the 2 parties in power. Voting third party means your vote is effectively wasted in a FPTP system

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If enough people do it over time I wouldn't think so right?

Each time they would win over and over more seats.

But of course that would require voters to recognize the situation, take the L and keep on continuing voting the third party

[–] ilost7489@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

In FPTP, not really because voting third party can split the vote between multiple parties meaning that none of them get a relative majority of votes and their common opponent wins instead. The system encourages you to vote for the next closes party that is the most likely to get more votes (strategic voting). It entirely favours a 2 party dynamic

This is a good video explanation that you may have seen before as it is popular

[–] PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

that video illustrates the problem with strategic voting: it consolidates parties. the lesson you sohuld learn from it is that strategic voting is actually voting against your own interest.

[–] nek0d3r@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Without a better voting system, there's not really much choice otherwise. Voting third party requires a majority of voters to not only know the downsides of the system and style of voting, but also to trust that the rest of that majority are going to both know and act on that before they act that way themselves. Otherwise it would just be contributing to the spoiler effect. It would be like trying to pause a game of Fortnite, or convincing states to cast electoral votes according to the national popular vote without, I don't know, some sort of National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

[–] PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

if the choice is blue fascists or red fascists, it's no choice at all.

[–] nek0d3r@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I'm afraid to tell you that you're right

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago

This. Thinking that strategic way got them into this mess in the first place

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago

But that's the point of a new party, to split the votes. In the end you need to create a wedge big enough that neither side can ignore

But again, that takes way too much from people. They need to take the L a few times before actually pulling something worthwhile