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Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending Sunday 2 June 2024 (awful.systems)
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Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid!

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post, there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] slopjockey@awful.systems 12 points 7 months ago (4 children)

So there was a big, vaguely described, public kerfuffle at a beach in my city, so I logged onto Xitter to see what happened. The first (and only relevant post) was from a sinister-ish sounding bluecheck. Low and behold, I found that he writes to the Unz review.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240526210416/https://www.unz.com/article/the-worlds-greatest-boxer-is-a-white-man/ It's all about Usyk, a heavyweight boxer who's considered a pound for pound great. Usyk is a great boxer, undoubtedly. But this article is strangely constructed, borderline pointless, and brazenly racist (shocker). And honestly, reading the comments, I think the author's just trying to cope with the fact that black boxers tend to be popular.

I don't think racist cope on its own is even worth a stubstack, but this one take is especially stupid:

Since it’s assumed that heavyweight boxers are able to beat everyone below their weight class, the heavyweight champ is essentially the real champ. And until last weekend, there hasn’t been an undisputed heavyweight champion since 1999, when Lennox Lewis—a black “British” man—collected all of the belts, only to lose one of them a year later when he failed to promptly fight a mandatory challenger.

To those unfamiliar with combat sports, I can't emphasize enough how weird it is to say that the heavyweight champ is the best boxer, period. Skill - irrespective of raw strength - is super important to boxers and other people who participate in combat sports. To the point that any fan ranking a pro boxer will likely talk about "Pound for pound" (p4p) greats, not the objectively strongest fighters. And right now the unofficial p4p great is a sub 5'6" Japanese boxer Naoya "Monster" Inoue. This man is a beast. I don't need to glaze him any harder, just google him or look up what people think on reddit. Weirdly enough, he's not mentioned once.

Hell, he doesn't mention Gervonta "Tank" Davis at all. He's half an inch shorter than Inoue, but he's also considered a p4p great and is known for his high boxing IQ. As a matter of fact, he doesn't mention Terence Crawford - 5'8" also considered a p4p great - at all either. Hmmm.

[–] slopjockey@awful.systems 12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

And here are my favorite sneers from the comment section

This guy gets fucking dunked on for not reading the room and claiming that black guys might actually be better boxers, genetically.

And this guy thinks that weight classes are for wokies.

Honestly, I'm starting to think this post was threadworthy just from the comment section alone.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

weight classes are for wokies

This used to be a Joe Rogan staple: no weight classes, no time limits and the ring should be the size of a basketball court.

It's really just the umpteenth reiteration of the meathead mantra of how I'd do really well in [popular combat sport] if it weren't for those pesky rules holding me back.

[–] slopjockey@awful.systems 12 points 7 months ago

Fucking lmao. Imagine being as big as Joe and wanting to fight in a ring the size of Kansas where you can't go the distance.

You def wouldn't need weightclasses though, the featherweights would just have to run until the heavyweights pass out from dehydration/exhaustion. It'd be like the hunger games

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

ah, xitter. "blacks," conversations with "alt right moderate" + colin wright tagged in, and 'men being of different sizes is woke.' what a site EDIT: I'm a fool this isn't xitter

[–] slopjockey@awful.systems 8 points 7 months ago

And despite the fact that whatshisname wants to secure a future for himself and his heavyweight white children, he doesn't capitalize "white" at any point. To be honest that was the only part that was surprising.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 7 months ago

"Jared Taylor fan"

When you want to replace the dogwhistles with foghorns.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I've never heard of these boxers, but this was pretty funny

In this corner: Tyson “The Gypsy King” Fury, a bald 6’9” behemoth who resembles the Amazing Colossal Man of 1957 sci-fi B-movie infamy. Fury was born 35 years ago to Irish Traveller parents [...]

I doubt that either Fury or Usyk understand the term “white” as Americans do. The main ethnic identity I’ve seen Fury claim is that of an Irish Gypsy whose people have been oppressed by the British for centuries. Fury even once let these words slip from his lips before one of his fights with Deontay Wilder when asked if there was a racial element to their matchup:

We’re all hauman beings. It doesn’t matter if you’re black, white, pink or green. We share the same blood. We are humans.

(mispelling in original)

Shocking that a pro boxer named Fury is a better human being than some self-proclaimed racist blogger.

[–] maol@awful.systems 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Irish Travellers/Mincéir are hugely discriminated against in both Britain and Ireland. I would tell this guy to go crack a book but he would probably just write another racist article about Travellers.

E: I just had a féach at Tyson Fury's wikipedia page and apparently he was named after Mike Tyson.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Echoing the audience's fawning of heavyweight boxers is probably the least objectionable thing in this racist shitheap of an article, I like how it ends by basically saying people should shut up about the judges possibly favoring Usyk for being Ukrainian, not because that's just Tyson fans coping but because the current notable russian heavyweights are either icky muslims or not full whites by parentage.

P4P is mostly a marketing term anyway, size aside the meta is different enough between distant weight classes to really strain comparison.

[–] slopjockey@awful.systems 3 points 7 months ago

Idk if heavyweights are the big thing right now. Tank and Inoue are some of the most popular fighters right now. Hell, look at Ryan Garcia, he's the talk of the town. Everyone watched him v Haney and Garcia not even that big ~~or good~~! I feel like if you asked the average young man who his favorite fighter was, they might not even be welterweight

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Wow the Unz review seems like a very cursed site.

Case in point: Steve Sailer references RMS: https://web.archive.org/web/20240510121546/https://www.unz.com/isteve/richard-m-stallman/

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 5 points 7 months ago

it's a site combining all the racism with a very useful archive of 20th century magazine copyright violations