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[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Which is why the rest of my commentary addressed the party, its leadership structure, and its voters...

Okay, so you are conceding the point about the democratic party making a "real"effort about wages then?

think that's grossly oversimplifying things, to the point where I'm not even sure it's worth investing more effort in a response.

Entrenched encumbrancey is a fairly simple well known issue in American voting.... I think your just just avoiding the argument.

think the problem with arguing against a metaphor is that it's grounded in how you, specifically, see the problem. I simply can't argue against how you see things, nor do I intend to try.

Lol, as opposed to what? Do you sincerely think that what you believe to be the problem is anything other than a belief? I'm just being honest and not trying to make it seem that my views represent the only realistic depiction of American politics.

give human beings way more credit than that, especially in aggregate. The exact same could be said about you being influenced by some kind of outside group

You think the American people collectively came up with the concept of third way politics? It's been a theory in politics since the 50's, was popularized in the 80-90s in Australia and in America by Bill Clinton.

I'm sure you'd argue that your beliefs are sincere and informed by evidence and experience. If you're taking the position that your beliefs are legitimate, but everyone else's beliefs are influenced by propaganda, then you and I are seeing the world very differently.

I'm not coming up with political theory.....of course my beliefs are influenced by others people's ideas, so are yours. The idea of political discourse is engaging in those ideas with others to better understand them.

not sure this is worth either of our time anymore. Best of luck.

Probably should have known better when you didn't even bother to read your own sources. Go kick rocks.