Saying the rich are (just as or even more) unhappy than humans is just rich ppl propaganda, or at best a coping mechanism ('See, Im better of poor than thev rich, I should be thankful!').

[–] aski3252@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Nah, there is definitely a truth to this. I grew up in a working class family who moved into a wealthier region at some point and I would never trade places with people who grew up wealthy. Pretty much all wealthy people are constantly unhappy, are obsessed with control to the point where they alienate their families, they are constantly scared of losing their control, status and wealth, constantly paranoid towards everything and everyone and often engage in self-destructive behaviour.

Of course, not having enough money sucks, it generates stress and restricts autonomy. But a similar thing happens at a certain level of wealth.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh, middle class you mean.
"The rich" aren't millionaires.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Idk. That description sounds like it applies to the JKR and Musks of the world. There are probably more happy rich people than poor people, but many of them aren't happy because happiness is hard for everyone.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately, being firmly from a working class family, I can guarantee you that we plebs struggle with the exact same things + actual poverty (not being able to go to a doctor,...).

I wish I could say we're magically happy for every crumb thrown our way, but we all realize we are scrawny mice at best while the world is ruled by cats.

[–] aski3252@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Again, my point isn't that poor people are happy or happier than the wealthy. My point is that our system doesn't even beneft those who are (supposed to be) in charge. They think it does, but it's more like an addiction that controls and destroys them.

[–] FakeGreekGirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

I'm not going to say that the rich are just as unhappy as the rest of us, because they'll never know what it is to truly struggle. But take a look at Elon Musk; does he look happy to you? Dude bought and destroyed Twitter because people there wouldn't stop making fun of him, and he still can't stop them. He's driven his daughter out of his life because he can't accept she's trans, which has only made him go even more full on transphobe and bleed over into every other bigoted thought under the sun. He just fucking gutted Tesla, his big pride and joy, because he couldn't stand his "inferiors" talking back to him and trying to stop him from making terrible mistakes. All his victims are undoubtedly struggling more than he is, thanks largely to his capriciousness and evil, but he certainly doesn't look happy to me.

And the funny thing is, he could be absolutely happy if he could let shit go. If I had his money, I wouldn't even bother with all this petty shit; I'd hire people to manage the money, put as much of it into charity work as I could, find some tropical island somewhere, and spend the rest of my life sipping on margaritas and watching sunsets. But he can't help himself. He's incapable of letting go, which stops him from ever being happy.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

He's not happy, but that's got little/nothing to do with his money. He's doing the same things and experiencing the same consequences as a lot of people who fall into the extreme-right. He alianted his family, he's in trouble at work and he's blaming everyone and everything but himself. Only difference between him and the qanon conspiracy-brain who got fired from the plant in some small town for saying racist shit on Facebook is that Elon's wealth and public status means his life falling apart is a public spectacle instead of a private one. That, and the fact that his meltdown impacts a lot more people.

Money actually does buy happiness for most people (up to about $75k USD annually, at which point the correlation fades). I suspect that happiness is a direct result of not feeling like you're 1 sick day from homelessness, but I don't think the data is there to support why yet.

Edit: $75k, not 7k

[–] FakeGreekGirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sure, but that just goes back to the original point - he's super weirdly obsessed with greed and hate and being a control freak, and will never be happy no matter how much money he has.

Money can't make you happy, but the lack of money can certainly make you unhappy.

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

‘Tell him we will pray for him.’

‘He needs your prayers.’

‘Is he, then, an unhappy man?’

Poirot said, ‘So unhappy that he has forgotten what happiness means. So unhappy that he does not know he is unhappy.’

The nun said softly, ‘Ah, a rich man…’

Poirot said nothing—for he knew there was nothing to say…

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But he isn't saying that the rich are unhappy.

[–] DrDominate@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Donald literally says that though

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

No, he says they'll never be happy because they want more and more