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[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Swing and a miss! Well, I can take solace in the fact that 99.9% of the packages you are using are in EndeavourOS too. So, I was mostly right. :)

I also wish we could replace Manjaro with a green themed EndeavourOS. So many people could be saved the pain. Manjaro is the next biggest Linux honeypot after OpenOffice ( which exists only to ruin the experience for people that should have used LibreOffice instead ).

Converting Manjaro to Arch in place is a labour of love. I have done it myself and it is was more steps than I expected it to be. Worth it though. Good friend.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If Manjaro doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it doesn't work for everybody

Leave our sacred amazing green Manjaro alone!

EndeavourOS is crap btw

And LibreOffice has terrible UI, even if it's feature-rich. Onlyoffice is the way to go

Alright, enough unpopular opinions for today.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Once installed, EndeavourOS is literally just Arch except for perhaps a couple of optional utilities and some theming. Even the kernel is the same. So you think Arch is crap btw?

More recent EOS installs do use Dracut. So, I guess there is one difference now ( unless you use dracut on Arch ).

I do not mind the look of Manjaro. That is not my issue with it.

I am fine with OnlyOffice as well. It is OpenOffice that nobody should use ( it is literally just an ancient version of LibreOffice at this point ).

So, other than saying Arch is crap, none of your opinions from that post are unpopular with me.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, dracut and some small differences here and there just make it more complicated to no gain, and I just don't comprehend why would someone who installs Endeavour wouldn't just install Arch and not depend on some random distribution that does little beyond easy set up (which has recently been shown as problematic when Endeavour team dropped ARM support).

Arch is alright btw. It has its audience, and it serves them well. Besides, it's an independent, but highly popular distro, which I value. It's snappy, configurable, well-documented, and no-fuss.

Besides, it would be weird to use Manjaro and hate its upstream. Though Mint people can experience such vibes...

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 6 months ago

I have been pretty happy with Dracut and have moved a few other systems to it. I used the instructions in the Arch wiki for how to do that of course. Dracut ( even in EOS ) comes from the Arch repos. Takes a couple minutes.

EOS only moved to Dracut recently so only my newest system would be using it ( rolling updates do not change that kind of thing ). I have all my systems using it now though, including “real” Arch.

I am less enthusiastic about systemd-boot though it does seem faster. It is just part of my bias against systemd.

Regardless, I could certainly move any of my systems to whatever I want. Installing EOS and then migrating away from Dracut would be faster than installing Arch to begin with. Of course, just starting with EOS Galileo ( before the move to Dracut ) works just as well. A simple pacman -Syu brings you to the same place as a newer install.

Honestly, uninstalling eos-hooks from EOS to get Arch is faster than installing yay in Arch to get the AUR ( yay and paru are both in EOS by default ).

[–] megane_kun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well, I can take solace in the fact that 99.9% of the packages you are using are in EndeavourOS too. So, I was mostly right. :)

Yeah, also I think EndeavourOS and Arch moved to Plasma 6 at around the same time too? I tried holding off the update to Plasma 6 for a few days but finally took the update on March 12.

I also wish we could replace Manjaro with a green themed EndeavourOS. Manjaro is the next biggest Linux honeypot after OpenOffice.

I think with enough faffing around customizing things in KDE Plasma, I think a green-themed EndeavourOS is doable. Would I recommend it? Not really, lol! From what I've seen, I‌ like EndeavourOS' default theming.

It's just a shame EndeavourOS isn't as known as Manjaro (at least during the time I first jumped into running Linux as a daily driver). But then again, with Manjaro shitting the bed becoming more known, I‌ hope EndeavorOS can take the place of Manjaro as the Arch-based distro for newbies.

Converting Manjaro to Arch in place is a labour of love. I have done it myself and it is was more steps than I expected it to be. Worth it though. Good friend.

Oh yeah, I was there with him when he was doing it. I can't do any help other than cheering him on, and to have another eye on the screen making sure he doesn't make any stupid mistakes in the process. At few points, I reminded him of the fact that I've backed up my files, and if things really get FUBAR, we can just do a clean install and restore the files from backup.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 6 months ago

EOS uses the Arch repos. So, EOS and Arch got KDE 6 together since whatever is in the Arch repos hits them both at the same time.