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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You're liable for your car no matter what

Nope, it should be law that if an auto manufacturer sells an autonomous driving system that they advertise being able to use while driving distracted then they are liable if someone uses it as advertised and per instructions.

What you wrote is probably an auto manufacturer executive's wet dream.

"You used our autonomous system to drive you home after drinking completely within advertised use and per manufacturer instructions and still got in an accident? Oh well tough shit the driver is liable for everything no matter what™️"

[–] warm@kbin.earth 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

When autonomous cars are good enough to just drive people around then yeah the companies should be liable, but right now they're not and drivers should be fully alert as if they are driving a regular vehicle.

[–] monk@lemmy.unboiled.info 7 points 7 months ago

When autonomous cars are good enough to just drive people around

they become autonomous cars. It's not autopilot if I'm liable, simple as that.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

but right now they're not and drivers should be fully alert as if they are driving a regular vehicle.

Which is what would be per manufacturer instructions, which still falls under my definition

[–] warm@kbin.earth 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Replies aren't always in disagreement! I agree with what you are saying, just adding on my thoughts on information further up the thread too.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Ah I see, it didn't come across like it at first

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There are already fully autonomous taxis in some cities. Tesla is nowhere near fully autonomous, but others have accomplished it.

[–] kakes@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Accomplished" is a strong word for something as complex as autonomous driving.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Fair, but when a company is given the authority to run fully autonomous taxis in cities that's a huge accomplishment. Granted they are cities that don't see things like snow storms and I'm sure there is a good reason for that.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
  1. Then don't call it autopilot
  2. What's the point of automated steering if you have to remain 100 % attentive? To spare the driver the terrible burden of moving the wheel a couple mm either way? It is well studied and observed that people are less attentive when they're not actively driving, which, FUCKING DUH.

Manufacturers provide this feature for the implicit purpose of enabling distracted driving. Yet they will not accept liability if someone drives distractedly.

Next in We Are Not Liable For How Consumers Use Our Product, Elon will replace the speedometer by Candy Crush with small text that says "pwease do not use while dwiving UwU".

[–] warm@kbin.earth 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You choose to activate that mode, while I understand your sentiment and do agree, it's not as cut and dry as 'company liable' or 'driver liable', both can be at fault. Taking blame off drivers entirely could make people even less attentive and the safety of lives is more important than some fines to a car manufacturer. The real problem is that mode being allowed to exist at all. It's clearly not ready for use on public roads and companies are just abusing advertising to try and pin their 'autopilot' as something it isn't.

Also note: Some manufacturers (Volvo & Mercedes, that I know of) have already said they will claim full responsibility for their cars in self-driving mode.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 3 points 7 months ago

So I say it is law last time I've checked (which is a while back tbh), and you say "no, it should be law" in your opinion. You see it, right?

Autonomous systems aren't that trustworthy yet and you shouldn't drive drunk with them. Are they really advertised that way?