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Just decontextualized nonsense. I suspect this is a corruption of some idea about lincoln's thoughts about slavery paired with some wholly fabricated victimhood propaganda about the slave states.
For anyone who (like me) had trouble with history: After Kansas elected to be a free state the soon-to-be confederacy saw the writing on the wall for slavery. When the electoral college fucked up with a split vote between 4 candidates lincoln (an abolitionist) came out on top after several vote rounds as he was the closest to start. Instead of taking the political L peacefully the pro-slavery faction decided to kill as many people as possible and got wrecked.
Yes but the writing on the wall for slavery probably would have looked like a gradual process of reforms that slowly chipped away at enslaver power.
It was the end of southern domination of the American political system.
Technically, they are still dominating our political system through minority rule.
Is it fair to say Virginia's dominance of the American political system? Granted, it takes two to tango but Virginia was in the driver's seat for many decades leading up to and following ratification of the Constitution.
The war was absolutely about slavery. The sad thing is most of the people who died didn't have a hole to piss in. A rich man's war fought by poor men.
Off the top of my head I can't think of a war where this wasn't the case.
Quite a few revolutions but that's it.
Lincoln was not an abolitionist, and made express remarks to the contrary during his campaign.
"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races ... I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
Taking any statement as representative of a person without full context is shady at best.
Stephen Douglas had just accused him of being an abolitionist. He was listing all the "extreme" views radical abolitionists held that go beyond just the end of slavery. He was maintaining the Republican Party stance of halting the expansion of slavery without directly supporting equality.
Its the same as a modern liberal getting called a socialist because they hold one view that lines up with socialism, then replying with a laundry list of very-socialist things they don't support.
You either were, or you weren’t an abolitionist. Abolition itself was radical. Lincoln was not an abolitionist, by his own admission. He did not desire to free the slaves, and he didn’t even believe them to be capable of reason and intelligence until he interacted with actual abolitionists like Frederick Douglass during the civil war and saw freed slaves in action against the south.
I don’t have interest in prolonged discussion today, but I would like to point you to Wikipedia’s surprisingly good article on Abraham Lincoln and slavery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_slavery
Political blocs don't die easy. Like the modern Republican party, they'll fight to save their own power.
This wasn't just one political loss, it was the doom of the Southern power bloc.