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Science Advances report also finds people of color and low-income residents in US disproportionately affected

Archived version: https://archive.ph/QrYK1

Study report: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adm8680

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[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If that's the case, a cheapo portable induction cooktop is good enough actually.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Ah yes exactly what everyone wants to do when their gas range with 4-5 burners and an oven needs to be replaced... getting a tabletop induction burner. Perfect replacement.

Lowes currently has a gas range with 4 burners, a built in griddle, and a convection oven from GE for $179.00 right now, and it even comes with a range hood, usually sold separate.

Meanwhile the cheapest random Chinese "brand" single induction burner I can quickly find on Amazon is $89. For 1 burner, that's a tabletop using up counter space instead, and will likely fail within a year because it's not from a real brand. The company probably won't even exist in a year so they don't have to handle warranty claims.

If all you ever need is 1 small burner then awesome. I don't know about everyone else, but I don't usually cook entire meals using a single pan small enough to fit on a small portable burner however. So I'd probably need a larger burner, which is more expensive, and probably multiple burners to actually cook a full meal without having to do one thing at a time. Where I'm right back at the cost of just getting a range and hood that fits where the existing spot in the house already is.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

You aren’t talking about this Combo are you…?

Because that has a charcoal filter and is the entire issue with gas ranges, they need to be vented outdoors… yeesh…. Way to completely miss the point.

It’ll cost a grand or so to install a properly vented one FYI. So that gas range just became far pricier than very good electric ones.

Every unit has electricity, gas requires not only for gas to be plumbed to every unit, but now every unit also needs a different hood vent that goes outside. With electric you can get away with a charcoal filter, although ideally it gets vented outside as well.

You’re suggesting every unit be about 3-5k more just so it can used a cheap gas unit…? What…

[–] Duranie 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You and I both know that they should be vented outside, but I'm guessing how often it isn't would be quite frustrating.

My shitty starter house (1995) didn't have a vent, but there was a window in the kitchen, so did that count? My boyfriend's house is in a higher cost of living area with absurdly expensive houses, and he was told (after purchasing the house when he was getting some things updated) that his vented into the attic. He doesn't use it because he doesn't want to blow aerosolized oils all over whatever's up there.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I was shocked that it wasn’t code in some places, it’s been code here since before the 90s. I never even heard of a recirculating one for forever. Any kitchen needs an outside vented range hood, so simple.

And the funny thing is, they preach not to use bbqs inside, yet somehow a gas stove is fine? What? Propane is actually the safer gas.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Because that has a charcoal filter and is the entire issue with gas ranges, they need to be vented outdoors…

Not sure what you're saying here... The combo literally comes with a vented hood. It does vent outside, and comes with the vent for it.

You’re suggesting every unit be about 3-5k more just so it can used a cheap gas unit…? What…

I didn't say every unit, or anything of the sort. I was just saying that a cheap gas stove is better to cook with than a cheap electric. I wasn't talking about anything else, and made no other claims.

But since you want to go into other shit unrelated to what I was talking about about... Electricity costs more than natural gas in a lot of places. Here in AZ for instance the electricity to run an electric range costs a shit ton more than the equivalent gas (especially in the summer with higher grid load from A/C usage). If a house is already plumbed for it, switching to electric is just going to cost more for a worse experience. No one was ever talking about retrofitting a place without gas for it.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 2 points 6 months ago

Firstly, I doubt majority of people cook with 2 or more stove every single day, i certainly only very rarely does that and i cook daily, so i think your issue is widely exaggerated.

Secondly, a quick search in homedepot yield me a $50 single cooktop, the one with double induction cost around $125, way cheaper than your $90 single induction.

Thirdly, i only suggest you a portable cooktop when you complain about the terrible(it's not, unless it's broken) coil heater the apartment provided.

Fourthly, electric stove is far safer than gas stove are, and this article is talking about how poor people are more exposed to nitrogen dioxide. Of course the electronic variant with electronic components inside is more expensive, but to argue against it because you can't get the same price compared to the gas variant is sort of disingenuous, almost as if you're making up problem to argue against changing for better and safer option. Sure, some compromise must be made to swap into electric, but for general purpose cooking, double cooktop works just as fine as gas range with multiple stove and oven and those stuff you probably only use once per year.

[–] BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

That really sucks you can't use the counter space where the stove is.

[–] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I can't wait to see you deglaze a pan on your portable electric induction cooktop.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure you deglaze every single day.

Also yes you can.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Deglazing isn't exactly uncommon when actually cooking. Sear a protein, deglaze the pan and make a simple sauce to go with it using all that otherwise wasted flavor.

Not everyone just makes simple shit from a box like hamburger helper.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for explaining how deglazing can be done with induction cooker.

Also not everyone is doing western dishes everyday. The world is kinda big if you haven't realise and there's shit tons of cuisine that doesn't do deglazing.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Also not everyone is doing western dishes everyday. The world is kinda big if you haven't realise and there's shit tons of cuisine that doesn't do deglazing.

You're right. Cooking with a wok is famous for working best on electric and induction cooktops.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

You're in luck! As a chinese my cuisine works well with induction cooktop too, thanks to the invention of wok pan

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago

I need a wok pan

[–] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

Y’all are kind of strawmanning me because we were specifically speaking of a portable induction burner. To do any of the things we’ve been speaking about you need a good exhaust fan which are paired with ranges which are not portable induction cooktops. In order to do any real cooking from any culture you’ll need the full range setup. That is what I was arguing with my snarky comment.