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We have this already. It's called Ubuntu + Gnome
Gnome isn't bad, at all. The team has caused controversy and made mistakes, but gnome's experience is great.
Talking about ubuntu, snaps suck, and it is more "bloated" than what you'd expect, but still, ubuntu isn't half bad. Is mint better for what the ubuntu audience wants? Yes. Does ubuntu still work well? Yes
And ubuntu server rocks
your autocorrect misspelled debian server in that last line there.
I tried Ubuntu again recently for the first time in years.
Between Snaps and having to create an account to get security updates, I quickly gave up on it.
even with all its faults and shitty maintainers, gnome is among the best ux of any de.
Gnome isn't enshitification just because you prefer a different DE ffs
To quote Clem, head of Linux Mint: "At a time where GNOME applications are less and less designed to work anywhere else than in GNOME, a project like XApp is extremely important."
Libaidwata breaks backward compatibility with older gnome versions and amongst other things doesn't allow theming natively, so the Cinnamon team are going to have to fork off and maintain the older code which works so they can continue to have theming and stuff with Gnome apps.
Gnome seem to like doing the opposite of the Linux philosophy which says interoperability should always be a priority so that the code can be shared as freely as possible.
I can't tell whether they are stupid or lazy over at Gnome. It's not enough to strip the DE down to nothing but now even the code that worked with previous, gnome still widely used, is being dumped.
They are a little island unto themselves.
That's a whole lot of waffle without saying anything of substance.
"Gnome apps are designed primarily to fit into Gnome 😡😡😡" is not what enshitification means.
Purposely breaking backwards compatibility knowing full well that other FLOSS DE's rely on it is enshitification of the worst kind.
We all lose in the end.
Not 👏 what 👏 enshitification 👏 means 👏
Gnome can theme their own apps however they like. It's their project.
Redhat already did it
snaps (and the way canonical is pushing them) are awful at best. snaps are the one reason ive been meaning to hop right now, but its not the first time canonical pulls shit like this.
a) having apt packages link a script that downloads the snap. That's the first problem I had, back when I used Ubuntu as as snaps were rolling out. It gave me big trouble updating on bad internet connection.
b) making the server fixed and proprietary, restricting the freedom to do things differently and offer different changes to other users, that we're used to in the Linux and FOSS world
in addition to what the guy said:
how it doesnt respect standards like XDG, and how painfully slow it is.
not at all. speaking as someone who replaced snaps for flatpaks because this specific issue was bothering me a lot.