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In just not interested in anything Bethesda any more. I played a ton of FO3 and Oblivion back in the day. A good bit of Skyrim. New Vegas was pretty decent. But the engine just feels so incredibly stale and outdated. The dead eyed characters barking their lines at you. Everything just feels clunky and unimmersive. It feels more like a chore than a fun game.
I ended up getting Starfield on release day for about $30 off through some deal, and I still felt ripped off. Honestly cannot be bothered to care about the next Elder Scrolls or whatever at this point.
It's weird, playing fallout and starfield on their engine feels terrible but playing skyrim on it feels great. I don't know how to explain it but I think the new elder scrolls will actually be good.
Could be any number of things. Could be nostalgia, the people who were working there at the time/the studio's methodology, or maybe you just don't like how they make fps games in their engine.
For me, the big things are their lack of innovation and the lifeless worlds of their games from about Fallout 4 onwards. Starfield's procedural generation really showed just how average everything except for their environmental storytelling is. Without the little hand-placed tidbits to make the world interesting, everything else just kinda falls flat for me. Everything else about how they design games is outdated at this point and hasn't really changed since the days of Oblivion. Even their much vaunted spaceship builder turned out to largely just be a loading screen that you walk through between other loading screens.
I still like Skyrim, it's a great "Run around, steal stuff and stab people" simulator. But the Bethesda Fallouts have never really clicked with me. Three was okay-ish, NV was in the "good-ish once you get used to the jank" range and 4 felt like a grab bag of half finished ideas. Since 76 seems to to be mainly drawing from the FO4 well, I never bothered playing it.
NV was non-Bethesda developers creating a game with Bethesda’s software. Hence the very different writing and structure.
If you want something that captures the experience of older Fallout games, the new Wasteland games have a lot of overlap while still being their own thing. Wasteland 3’s main structure resembles New Vegas in that you’re always trying to figure out what faction or combination of factions to support.
They're also set in the American Southwest.
I prefer the New Old West setting in the American Southwest that Fallout 1, Fallout 2, and New Vegas had to the Washington, DC of Fallout 3, Boston of Fallout 4, and West Virginia of Fallout 76. Well, okay, I guess the Old World Blues DLC for New Vegas doesn't really fit, but other than that.
I really should try to get Fallout Nevada working again. I downloaded it but it glitched out for me in the main screen and I never spent enough time fixing it.
While the engine doesn't help, I feel that Bethesda games have fallen into a trap of being bigger and bigger with every release which has resulted in the games being less and less focused. While the level of detail in a Fallout or Elder Scrolls game is amazing, I personally find I reach a saturation point and just stop caring about the game. With Skyrim, the only way I managed to complete the main quest line was by forcing myself to just speed-run it to the exclusion of doing nearly anything else. If I let myself wander off and start exploring or doing side quests, I just run out of steam at some point and never finish.
I really liked new vegas bavk in the day. But didn't really care for Bethesda themselves. I never looked at anything fallout 4 before it was released, because i didn't care. On launch day i had an injury and was bored, so i blindly bought fallout 4. This was the weirdest experience i ever had. I relaunched the game like 3 times because i thought i bought the wrong fallout or some rip off, because the game looks disgusting. Or pretty good for Bethesda standards. I had no idea what was going on because some quests were broken and a lot of things didn't work, texures missing and all that good stuff. But according to fans this was a 9.5/10 game. I don't know what's up with these people.