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[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (4 children)

If there is a recommendation that satisfies:

  • A nice looking UI with good fonts, and a clean interface.
  • The ability to run random Windows applications with minimal fuss.

All without needing to use the terminal, then that will likely win the battle.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 4 points 7 months ago

Honestly Wine and Bottles are both pretty great at running windows programs these days, I wouldn’t worry to much about that so long as you check and make sure the critical software you need works.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A nice looking UI with good fonts, and a clean interface.

Pretty much anything beats Windows in that regard.

The ability to run random Windows applications with minimal fuss.

I mean if you REALLY can't find a FOSS alternative, Bottles has been extremely successful and easy for me...

All without needing to use the terminal

This is the biggest hangup for me. Even if there is a GUI, most instructions will send you into the terminal nonetheless.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Pretty much anything beats Windows in that regard

Fonts have looked like shit on Linux for years, if not decades. The poor UI and lack of polish has been a big problem in design communities for a long time, and to many it's one of the reasons why Linux is less favourable to Mac and Windows.

This is the biggest hangup for me. Even if there is a GUI, most instructions will send you into the terminal nonetheless.

For all the deserved shit that Windows gets, it "just works" without ever needing to touch config or a terminal. Until a Linux distro and window management system can get this part right, it's silly to call it a desktop replacement for the average person because it's not trying to be.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The poor UI and lack of polish has been a big problem in design communities for a long time

I dunno what to tell you except that it's not a problem now.

For all the deserved shit that Windows gets, it "just works" without ever needing to touch config or a terminal.

Most people don't need to use anything other than a browser, which works fine.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You think the average joe does browse this environment?
My guy, we are on lemmy. This ain't reddit.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My point exactly. I've watched people break down over the start menu changing, or being unable to do anything after switching to a Mac. If you think the average person will go through this shit you're mistaken...but I'd expect nothing less from Lemmy. It's a bit like Slashdot from 20 years ago...

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago

I had to explain to users where to find the windows key or how to start a search in the start menu.
Many can't comprehend typing if there is not a textbox...

[–] GreatDong3000@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I don't see anything wrong with fonts or the UI in Linux rn. I had tried Linux multiple times back in the 2000s and early 2010s and you are right, it used to look bad compared to windows and macs.

But if I am being very honest here, Linux looks better than both windows and mac currently. Either GNOME or KDE Plasma easily look much better, just pick the one you prefer. There is also Cinnamon.

It is not hard at all to find the one you like. As I was installing Debian 12 there was a list with checkboxes to select the GUIs I wanted installed and I just installed all of them, then whenever you startup, on the login interface where you have to insert your password, there is a dropdown list to select the interface you want to use, and you can change back and forth between all of them as much as you want, this is so much better than windows by itself (if you want to have options to change the look of windows that is a lot more work, Linux on the other hand has a bunch of well tested, trustworthy and cohesive interfaces ready to go, you just select them on a list.

For me I like GNOME better, thousand times prettier than windows 10 that I was using before. Most people seem to prefer KDE Plasma tho. Just have a look at them, ain't no way you will come out thinking they lack anything compared to windows.

[–] cooopsspace@infosec.pub -1 points 7 months ago

Just get over it and learn

I also have to use terminal in Windows, and up until recently it was an awful useless terminal too

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] rish@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Elementary, Zorin?

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not really my place to prove it. Perhaps try something that isn't Windows and you'll see how much it truly does suck ass.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

My daily drivers are MacOS and Fedora (with Windows on my Surface Book), but I'm a software engineer, not the average person.

I would love for Linux on the desktop to be viable for the average person, but there isn't really a built-in option that can beat Windows at what it's good at, and that's backwards compatibility, and a clean interface that users know. The attitude of "well, Linux is just better" hasn't worked for decades, and it never will until there is a distro that prioritises that (hard) switch.