Political Memes

What I'm saying is that long term the viewpoints converge and are the same. A desire for more universal healthcare coverage, a desire for higher standards of living including higher minimum wage, lower cost of living, a desire for more broadly available public transit, a desire for a housing first approach to homelessness, prison reform, police reform, or abolition, probably a desire for more ethical domestic industry, and less third world exploitation, meaning ultimately less military spending. Then, a desire to keep all of this for any extended period of time, which probably results in a kind of anticapitalist sentiment. You could probably even get like, lots of conservatives to agree with a lot of this stuff. Certainly, I've seen that before, in any case.

Neither position on, vote for joe biden, or, don't vote for joe biden, really has anything to do with those larger overarching desires, as I see it. Or, both positions can very viably be stances that one might take even with those desires, I suppose, is a better way to put it. Institutional reform on the one hand, and anti-authoritarian, anti-institutional action on the other. They both lend towards one another. Reformist governments aren't stronger than fascist governments in regards to how they react to leftist action. If you have a larger capacity for union organization and solidarity under one regime than under the other, than for practical revolutionary purposes, you pick the former regime, right? You support those who would support the former regime, even if you might disagree as to the means by which you reach your sort of, endgames. Dual power. It's easier to win when you're not dividing yourselves up for silly reasons, it's easier to have a successful revolution when you're not also fighting a fascist government state. I think most of the historical narratives surrounding this sort of stuff kind of, pit the leftists against the libs, because the liberal, or even just the mainstream government, got destabilized, and leftists try to take power at the same time as fascists in that scenario, obviously, because that's their historical soviet union october revolution moment maoism moment, and they then fail, usually because they're not as vulnerable to outside political and economic influence, and then everyone blames each other when it's all over, while the fascists get everything they want. I dunno, at least, that's sort of the impression that I got from people telling me about the fall of germany to the nazis.

I'm not really disagreeing with what you've said in any way, I just find the focus on these differences to be really really dumb and stupid most of the time. More than that, even, I find these sorts of like, really cheap, low rent memes to be, not at all useful for convincing anyone to actually vote, and mostly they serve to just make people sort of bitter towards people who have ideologies ultimately pretty close to their own. I dunno though, maybe I'm sort of underestimating the differences between the two parties, or I'm understating the degree to which libs are willing to compromise on things like universal healthcare, in order to, say, increase police funding, or military spending, or domestic industrial economic concerns, things like that.