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A nuclear plant’s closure was hailed as a green win. Then emissions went up (www.theguardian.com)
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Shuttering of New York facility raises awkward climate crisis questions as gas – not renewables – fills gap in power generation

When New York’s deteriorating and unloved Indian Point nuclear plant finally shuttered in 2021, its demise was met with delight from environmentalists who had long demanded it be scrapped.

But there has been a sting in the tail – since the closure, New York’s greenhouse gas emissions have gone up.

Castigated for its impact upon the surrounding environment and feared for its potential to unleash disaster close to the heart of New York City, Indian Point nevertheless supplied a large chunk of the state’s carbon-free electricity.

Since the plant’s closure, it has been gas, rather then clean energy such as solar and wind, that has filled the void, leaving New York City in the embarrassing situation of seeing its planet-heating emissions jump in recent years to the point its power grid is now dirtier than Texas’s, as well as the US average.

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[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

You didn't factor in that nuclear only takes forever because we haven't done it in a long time and have lost all of the knowledge and skilled builders that know how to do it.

I didn't, because its not true.

France has been building new reactors consistently since they started in the 50s and yet their latest reactor Flamamville 3 has been under construction since 2007.

The only people that can do Nuclear quickly are China through a combination of lesser safety standards, their totalitarian government, and the massive scale at which they are building them.

know you touched on it but the battery storage needed to make wind reliable would be enormous.

You don't need batteries to make windows viable, there are lots of solutions, the most obvious being to just overbuild it.

I'm a firm believer nuclear and renewables are what we need to be spending our time and money, not one or the other but both

I'm not, nuclear just doesn't make sense to build right now, nuclesr is a medium tern solution to a long term problem that needs immediate solutions.

You get way way more MWs per $ with wind. Wind farms can be built in 6 months and start generating power immediately. Even the fastest NPPs can't compete. Wind farms can be built anywhere because they take no workers to operate and requite much less lightly skilled workers to maintain and no water to oeprate (so arent affected by droughts). They are less hindered by planning regulations, nimbys and protest groups, can be built onshore or offshore and also don't have the chance to make an area uninhabitable for generations.

The only advantages nuclear has is a smaller footprint which is mitigated by wind being dispersed and stable output. Which is something that can be compensated for in wind.