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@sleepybisexual @the_artic_one Some are, some aren't. It honestly varies from person to person and how they conceptualize being NB (since it's a fairly large category that often intersects with other gender/sexuality concepts and identities).
That's more of a semantic disagreement with how you define "trans". If you use the definition "anyone who identifies with a gender other than the one assigned at birth" then all non-binary people are trans.
Not all nonbinary people identify as a gender other than the one they were assigned, though. Some identify with their AGAB, but in a way that's outside the binary.
IMO that's not the gender they were assigned at birth which is strictly binary in Western society but people use all kinds of different definitions for words.
No, I mean it depends on how each nonbinary person see it.
For some people the base gender is the same, or their gender is related/derived from the binary gender they were assigned. These people may not consider themselves trans, but rather cis or any other gender modality.
There's no "IMO that's not the gender they were assigned at birth" when many non-binary people do, in fact, feel they still relate to their AGAB or that their gender and their AGAB are the same or similar.
Just because you define a label one way does not mean that other people have to accept or adopt your label. If a non-binary person doesn't want to identify as trans, do not force that label on them.
Also this statement is coming from a very western perspective. There are more than two genders in the world and there are civilizations which recognize and support genders outside the binary. Some people are not assigned gender at birth in the society they were born in, and in some civilizations their gender does match what was assigned to them by society and that identity is neither male nor female, but something else.
Yes, that's why I said "**if ** you use the definition...".
Yes it is, that's why I clarified the definition the chart was using.