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Hey Folks, thank for all the well-wishes last week!
I'm back home now and slowly starting up work on Shattered Pixel Dungeon again. Here's an early look at one streamlining change I'm making to the alchemy system, meant to simplify a bunch of the higher end recipes: replacing catalysts with a simple energy cost.
First of all, welcome back! I've missed seeing your incremental dev updates, and am glad everything's going well now.
I can't say I'm too fond of this change though. At some fundamental level, alchemy used to be a crafting system. 1.1 took away from that somewhat (and made the third ingredient slot almost never used), but it was largely fine because it made recycling items more effective, particularly with the overall changes to how energy worked.
It already seemed a bit odd however to have items that weren't really 'crafted', but it makes sense for wands and missiles, and is at least tolerable for scrolls and potions. My gut reaction for this new proposal is that it just creates too many 1-item recipes, and in doing so alchemy seems much less like a crafting system. The assymmetry of the item types in the interface (some potions would show one option, others two or three, with a haphazard mix or exotics, elixers and spells) also seems quite inelegant.
There is also the fact that a visible catalyst option makes since in-world. What is energy? It's not very clear. However, why does putting a scroll in an alchemy pot create one thing vs another? One particularly noteworthy case is turning normal and exotic levitation into spells. How does that work? Using a scroll byproduct to make those spells seems far more concrete than simply using 'energy'. It is also somewhat irksome to have both a potion and a spell as outcomes for a single input, which are two different item classes.
I also think having at least some sort of item tradeoff is valuable. Scrolls are generally more useful than stones, and three stones vs. a scroll and a stone are not the same from a balance perspective. Sacrificing a scroll for a spell or a potion for an elixir is not prohibitive, but it requires a bit more thought by the player.
Yeah, I agree that the change in themeing is unfortunate. Every change I have made since initially introducing the system has substantially increased the number of people who use it though. Clearly many people see multiple inputs, or recipes that require multiple steps, and just don't bother. Even though this does mean alchemy turns more into a point-based system than a full on crafting one, that seems to suit the game better.
Fundamentally I want players to think "What consumables do I not care about?" and then "what alchemy produce do I want to make with them?", and just having a point system largely sit in the middle seems to do the best job of making that process effective. It's worth noting though that there are still a significant number of 2 item recipes, and a few three item ones. Meat pies in particular are still very popular.
I have already considered the fact that levitation potions turning into spells makes no sense though, especially now without catalysts. it's not shown here but that actually is being addressed.
I hope levi potions turning into the blue water balls does not get removed, it is such a crucial item to have given the rarity of finding a blastwave wand.
No the recipes are just getting a thematic change, the actual inputs and functionality of the outputs are unchanged.
Sure thematic its not the best, but man is crafting things sometimes a pain that this new change will be very welcome. This is one of the instances where I prefer function over form.