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President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman informed Russians this week that the “special military operation” that Putin launched in Ukraine in February 2022 was set to go on much longer because it is now “a war against the collective West.”

That’s right: a war.

It was remarkable to hear that word from Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov. Journalists were explicitly banned from using it as the invasion began and thousands of Russians have been detained, fined and imprisoned for telling the truth about a war which has now been raging for almost two years.

“Moscow deputy Aleksey Gorinov was sentenced to seven years in prison for saying ‘war,’” Sergey Davidis, head of the Political Prisoners Support group, told The Daily Beast. He said over 20,000 Russians have now been detained and punished for protesting against the war. “That includes 131 Russians who have been sentenced to long prison terms in punishment for peaceful or for more radical anti-war actions,” he said. “I don’t think punishments against the war will now be milder after the Kremlin openly says ‘war.’ Putin will be next to declare it.”

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[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 59 points 10 months ago (7 children)

How anyone over there still sucks this dude off is beyond me lmao

[–] PoastRotato@lemmy.world 57 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I would imagine it's at gunpoint, figuratively or literally.

[–] deadcream@sopuli.xyz 48 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

There are a lot of people there that haven't experienced oppression personally and genuinely believe that "strong ruler" that "keeps people in line" is what's needed for their country to be "strong".

Also one of the key points of Russian propaganda that has been hammered into them for decades is that "democracy is a sham" and that any alternative to Putin's regime would be just as oppressive and simply less "competent" (and therefore lead to Russia's ruin).

Putin supporters do not believe that democracy can work and they don't want democracy, as simple as that.

[–] rammer@sopuli.xyz 8 points 10 months ago

There's a reason why Russians do not believe democracy can work. It is the fact that the only brief time there was democracy in Russia in the past few hundred years was a time of unmitigated chaos. The transition away from communism was un utter disaster. The west didn't help either. All the west did was try take a piece of the pie.

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 2 points 10 months ago (6 children)

What’s to stop someone from leaving? Are they North Korea like that?

[–] Beardwin@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Emigration is really hard, both emotionally and financially, regardless of where you live.

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 11 points 10 months ago

That’s a really good point I hadn’t considered in passing, moving to a whole new country, and as a Russian? Probably pretty tough

[–] Tremble@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

Usually illegal to work unless you have money to pay to get the permission to work.

[–] deadcream@sopuli.xyz 14 points 10 months ago

No, but there are many obstacles. Besides usual ones common to migration in general, due to sanctions people who want to emigrate won't be able to easily access their money left in Russia. Also if they speak up against Putin everything they left in Russia will be confiscated and returning back (for any reason including possible deportation) will be dangerous (Russia is smart enough to not charge dissenters living abroad so that they won't be able to claim asylum, but when they return they can be arrested. This strategy was used since USSR times). This makes emigration a risky proposition unless you already have a high-paying job lined up for you, and can receive foreign citizenship in a short time.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They don’t let valuable people live. Also they don’t let people convert roubles to western currency. The current exchange rate for roubles is a complete sham as it’s not a free market

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 2 points 10 months ago

Pretty sure many people in the world aren’t doing business with Russian currency for obvious reasons.

That only changed recently, it wasn’t always like that. “Free markets” don’t need to be fully free for the same reason that the tolerant need not tolerate the intolerant.

[–] thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 10 months ago

Based in the news I've read, the Russian government, and also the ones of many neighboring countries

[–] RadicalCandour@startrek.website 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 8 points 10 months ago

I can’t believe there’s an actual word for this

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

You have to have a country to go to. The hard part of emigrating is often immigrating. Countries don't generally just let people in.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you have a few minutes to talk about our lord and savior donald trump?

[–] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Don't even fucking say that ironically.

[–] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh its really simple and I'm kind of angry how many people keep making your statement.

Fact: about 1/3 of the world enjoys the suffering of others and wants a visible, high profile enemy to rail against. They are cultist regressives dreaming for a past that never existed, in Russia's case the fantasy of the old USSR at its peak.

They are angry at being poor and powerless and gladly accept any justification that allows them to hate someone else.

The same motivations behind trumpty dumpty's cult. Do you honestly think this is a coincidence?

Unfortunately I know nothing I type here will matter to you and the next time a thread exposing putin's brutality you will just likely post the same statement.

[–] tan00k@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's understandable to be confused by it, I'm not sure why it makes you angry.

Even if you're familiar with the idea that some portion of the population is hierarchy/authoritarian prone, it makes you ask why. Then the answer just takes you one step deeper - that they like to see others suffer. Why? Because it makes them feel like they have it better than someone else, and that feels good. Well why does that make them feel good? Etc.

When you drill down enough you always get to "that's just the way it is", which isn't satisfying.

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

We are prone to that because God made humans in a way so we would bow down and obey or something. That's why you al go back to your roots. Lucifer gave you a way to prevent that or something. I unno, I am no expert with the lore of humanity. I am just an alien watcher. /S

[–] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I don't think there is any benefit in trying to justify bigotry as there are almost as many reasons as there are bigots.

Did they have bad family lives? Probably, most of us have nowadays, but I know plenty of people that have gone through some harrowing shit and it doesn't make them want to erase trans people.

I mean, you can go ahead and spend as much mental energy as you want reviewing every possible thing that led them down the path of enjoying the suffering of others, but I don't see in any way how that is practical in curbing the damage they are doing to the fabric of our society.

People who dream of violence against innocents are monsters and I have no ethical or moral responsibility to consider the cause of the week they claim is behind their antisocial behavior.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The ones closest to him in his inner circle are very incentive to be loyal as many of them got rich, and their wealth depends, on Putin's blessing. Those who don't, like Prighozhin, get made an example of and have their private planes mysteriously fall from the sky.

[–] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

like Prighozhin

That entire circus tells you all you need to know about how pooty poot keeps his subordinates in line, thanks for reminding everyone about it. It needs to be more public.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

do not underestimate Russian conservatives

[–] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They're just like our conservatives but go to jail less for murdering gay and trans people.

edit: Oh and they can legally beat their wives too.

Honestly it makes a lot of sense why modern American regressives idolize such a brutal and backwards culture.

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Propaganda, fear and other things.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nice privilege you got here . . . Be a shame if anything were to happen to it, y’know. Like in russia.

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 2 points 10 months ago

I was aware of my own ignorance on the topic, and maybe my words weren’t clear or concise enough for your liking, but it was very much a comment intended to receive answers, opinions, and viewpoints so that I could educate myself

But your random slap on the wrist was super effective and was a crucial excercise. Good job.