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You can remove or disable Windows 11 and 10's AI 'bloat' with new BloatynosyAI (www.neowin.net)

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 144 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

It's good that these tools exist, but it's so frustrating that it's a constant cat and mouse game of Microsoft trying to make their products as cumbersome and shit as possible and the community trying to salvage Windows to the best of their ability.

At what point do OEMs just say actually nah, I'm tired of you making our laptops frustrating to use?

At what point do they say fuck it I'm going the Valve route and moving away from a company that wants to undermine my products and my brand?

[–] joewilliams007@kbin.melroy.org 59 points 11 months ago (1 children)

uhh they will include copilot key in keyboard in new laptops...

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 42 points 11 months ago

Very useful, just like my dedicated Cortana key. 🤡

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

it's a constant cat and mouse game

It's not just Microsoft. Never heard of always on DRM? Or government making it difficult for people to receive assistance (disability or homeless)?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

At what point do OEMs just say actually nah, I'm tired of you making our laptops frustrating to use?

You're under the impression that most people care about the horrible parts of windows?

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I think they do.

Enough to do much about it, other than maybe buy a MacBook if they have money to burn? Nah.

But enough to use their PC less and try to do as much as possible on their phone/iPad? Honestly, yeah, I think so.

I hear normies complaining about stuff in Windows all the time. It's just when you go "well you could..." they turn off and don't want to do anything about it, because to them you may as well be giving them advice on how they can hack their washing machine to wash clothes faster. It's just an appliance.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Is your point that you think laptop and desktop makers could increase sales by ditching windows? That feels like suicide to me and I am a Linux lover. At what point do they do that is what you asked. When they're desperate enough to take a risk, if ever, would be my guess

[–] TravisKelce@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

At what point do OEMs just say actually nah, I’m tired of you making our laptops frustrating to use?

LTT put out an (surprisingly insightful) video about ChromeOS and how it's kind of secretly spreading Linux. I don't think its crazy to say that in 5-10 years ChromeOS or similar will be the default and Windows will be a premium add on or something.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"premium"

[–] TravisKelce@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

lol honestly maybe competition will force them to reverse the ehittification of their product

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

I doubt it. Google will squander it away one way or another. It could work on a technical level, I’ve been using flex since before Google bought it for family members, it’s just poorly advertised and explained.

[+] littlebluespark@lemmy.world -18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, Window$ has been bloat since the very day M$ stole it from its Unix roots, and Linux is everything that the OS could've been were it not run by money-grubbin' cringelords.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Unix roots? Lol wtf

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Why wtf?

Microsoft started as a UNIX-based programming company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix

Hell you see remnants of it in the reserved filename list.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/fileio/naming-a-file?redirectedfrom=MSDN

Devices in windows are not typically "files" like they are in unix/linux... So why CON, PRN, AUX, NUL, COM0, COM1, COM2, COM3, COM4, COM5, COM6, COM7, COM8, COM9, COM¹, COM², COM³, LPT0, LPT1, LPT2, LPT3, LPT4, LPT5, LPT6, LPT7, LPT8, LPT9, LPT¹, LPT², and LPT³ are all reserved? Because they maintained compatibility with features businesses used at the time... and never deprecated the function.

Edit:

image of downvotes on this post as of Feb 14 2024
Why are we downvoting literal computer history? It is a known fact that Windows started on Unix systems. It's a known fact that they released their own BSD-based software up to and including a full fledged Unix-based OS, and it's a known fact that MS-DOS 1 and 2 were both Unix compatible. This is LITERALLY the definition of "roots". Are we so touchy here that we can't acknowledge actual computing history?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Hmm, I always thought MS was founded to steal/modify MS DOS. Interesting that they briefly did Unix stuff, but I still take issue with the way op phrased it. "Their Unix roots" makes it sound like they were heavily invested in Unix and carried that forward even into windows. I don't know if they used any of that code in windows, but if they did you'd never know it by using dos or any windows version I've seen. Even despite both having command line interfaces, almost everything is different from Unix except the command "cd", to my recollection.

[–] WhyYesZoidberg@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

“Started as”

Yeah, no. Yes Xenix was a thing but it would be incorrect to say that it ever was their main product.

I don’t think anyone has ever hinted on that NT has a unix code base except for some “borrowed” networking code from bsd.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

it would be incorrect to say that it ever was their main product.

They made several full versions of it... It was not simply a one off product.

While Xenix 2.0 was still based on Version 7 Unix,[30] version 3.0 was upgraded to a Unix System III code base,[12]: 9 [31][32] a 1984 Intel manual for Xenix 286 noted that the Xenix kernel had about 10,000 lines at this time.[10]: 1–7 It was followed by a System V R2 codebase in Xenix 5.0 (a.k.a. Xenix System V).[33]

Also,

Microsoft's Chris Larson described MS-DOS 2.0's Xenix compatibility as "the second most important feature".[38] His company advertised DOS and Xenix together, describing MS-DOS 2.0 (its "single-user OS") as sharing features and system calls with Xenix ("the multi-user, multi-tasking, Unix-derived operating system"), and promising easy porting between them.[39]

So they were simultaneously created AND interoperable (from a program development perspective). This was a full fledged item.

Edit: to elaborate a little better. If they were simultaneously developed... and interoperable. And one item is Unix-based outright. Then it's safe to say that the other item (MS-DOS) in this case is also pretty steeped in Unix roots.