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He said to Neo that humans are like a virus, breeding and infecting the world with our "stick" and general disgustingness.

I look around the world, at the state of society, the environment, international conflict and the enshitification of humanity - I've gone through my life blindly accepting that life for life's sake is beautiful, and worth it.

But as I see the state of it all, our perpetual need to destroy each other over ideas and resources, I struggle to come to grips with it. Societies around the world are facing population shrinkage... Do they all know something I don't?

Is human life beautiful, and objectively worth perpetuating? Or are we a blight? Why should we be?

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[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Do you think it's inherently human nature to be this way or do you think there are other ways for humans to be? Maybe you're conflating human nature with something else, like capitalism.

[–] cmeu@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't know what human nature truly is, or if there can be a singular definition.

However, judging by the historical record, we seem to be quite good at exploiting things and beings for our own benefit at their expense, which doesn't really make a compelling case for worthiness

Worthiness begs the question of a judge of worthiness. The Agents may not have liked us as part of a balanced ecology, but they found us worthy batteries, for example. But they're made up, as I'd argue most other external judges or values are. Even if a human is making that judgement, worthy of what and why? More worth than X? To who? Why is their judgement worthy?

It's a big can of worms and the deeper you go, the less clear it's going to be. Maybe focus on a smaller bite for now.

[–] cmeu@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Whom created capitalism, or any economic strategy?

Who. For nominative case, it's who.

I'm not sure what your point is, though. Are you suggesting that humans are destined to capitalism, in which case there is no choice and you can't really put a moral judgement on it anymore than you can salt crystallizing. Or do you mean humans end up choosing capitalism, in which case can't they choose something else and it's not human nature after all?

[–] capital@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] cmeu@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

How does this Wikipedia argument address whether or not we're a blight, or if we should be?

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago

It raises the question on whether we're a net positive (or, well, argues that we are). Humans do a lot of shitty things but on the whole it's worth it.

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago

the baby is humanity, capitalism the bathwater.