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[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I mean that if your argument is communism, let's talk about the real world one, not the ideal one that doesn't exist and will never actually be put into practice. Because comparing a real, existing system against an idea is unfair. So either let's compare real communism with real capitalism, or let's compare the idea of capitalism with the idea of communism.

As I said, capitalism sucks, but I'm tired of people making comparisons between the real, actually used capitalism and some made up version of communism.

[–] Micromot@feddit.de 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Real existing forms of socialism kind of solve the problem by offering free education and programs to support poorer individuals so they can participate in society and enjoy their lives. There isn't a fully democratic socialist country yet but having parts of socialism already kind of solves these issues.

[–] udon@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

IIRC, in former east Germany you couldn't just study whatever you want (topic of this entire post). If your parents went to uni, you can't. Oversimplified, because of course there were options if you were part of the party, but I'm not sure that strengthens the point.

I don't know how that worked in Russia.

[–] Micromot@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago

The GDR was way too authoritative and I don't really know about russia either. I was tlaking about modern day germany

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Again, all things are only "made up" until put into practice. You can't ask for a better idea, then balk at it, saying "it's just an idea". Is your position really to never try anything new?

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is your position really to put words in my mouth? If you rephrase it, I'll answer.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Do you object to trying ideas simply because they are ideas? Understand that this thinking is anti-progress. We can't reject everything that's "made up", otherwise nothing will ever become real. Planes were "made up" until someone actually made planes that worked. Imagine if someone just said, "you can't make a flying machine. Flying machines don't exist!"

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No, I don't, I'm just saying that it's unfair to compare the actual capitalism with (for example) the textbook communism.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 2 points 8 months ago

I'm comparing textbook capitalism with textboox communism. It is built into the very system of capitalism.