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President Biden vowed on Monday to veto a House Republican bill that would provide $17.6 billion in aid to Israel, calling it a “cynical political maneuver” intended to hurt the chances of passage for broader legislation that would provide money for Israel, Ukraine, Taiwan and the U.S. border.

House Republicans fiercely oppose the larger bill, which was unveiled by a small, bipartisan group of senators over the weekend. It calls for $118.3 billion in spending and would overhaul some of the nation’s immigration laws to deal with recent surges of migrants at the southern border.

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[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If I absolutely have to pick a side on this dumpsterfire of a conflict then I'd choose Israel but I still don't quite understand what they need military aid for when they're already the bigger and more powerful military of the two. Is this so that they can blow up individual terrorists with a million dollar smart bombs so that they don't need to put their own men at risk? This just seems stupid but then again I'm no military expert either so who cares what I think.

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

Try these then, the first video is short. Finkelstein is an expert on this issue, and his family was exterminated in the holocaust, except for his parents

https://youtu.be/v-GK1lKmexE

https://youtu.be/eF3EE3g8COI

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Why would you choose Israel? They have already killed more civilians than Hamas has militants and has given no sign of slowing down, they have dropped over 20000 bombs, they aren't trying to kill individual terrorists. Even people in Israel are turning against the IDF and Netenyahu.

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Because I agree with why they're attacking HAMAS, just not on how they're doing it.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why do you think Israel was attacked to begin with? Do you agree with Israel's reason for attacking but not Palestine's? I would say the same but in regards to the attack on Israel.

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Even if I grant that they had a legitimate reason to attack Israel, that still doesn't change the fact that it was a terrorist attack directed mostly at the civilian population. That makes you a perfectly legitimate target for retaliation in my eyes.

And before you say Israel is attacking the civilian population too and in greater numbers; I know, that's why I said I don't agree with how they're doing it.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah well

Terrorism > genocide and concentration camps

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago

Both sides can be bad at the same time. Just because you think Israel is worse it still doesn't make HAMAS saints. This is binary thinking and world doesn't work that way. Things are not black and white.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I haven't seen anyone argue that the militants that attacked Israel aren't legitimate targets in a war like this. I have doubts about the reports that they specifically targeted civilians more than military points or that there were orders to attack civilians. Even Israeli news has reported that many civilians killed on Oct. 7th were most likely killed by IDF.