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Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said Thursday he is "thinking seriously" about dropping his affiliation with the Democratic Party and becoming an independent.

Why it matters: Manchin has made a career out of proclaiming his independence from D.C. Democrats. But his latest comments have added significance, given his public flirtation with a possible third party presidential bid in 2024.

What he's saying: "I'm thinking seriously," Manchin told West Virginia radio host Hoppy Kercheval, adding, "I have to have peace of mind, basically. The brand has become so bad. The D brand and R brand ... You've heard me say a million times, I am not a Washington Democrat."

  • Pressed on how seriously he is approaching the idea, Manchin said he has "been thinking about that for quite some time" and wants to "make sure that my voice is truly an independent voice."
  • Manchin said he hasn't "made any decisions," telling Kercheval, "When I get ready to make a decision, I'll come see you."

The backdrop: Manchin has been dropping hints for months that he may follow the lead of Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (I-Ariz.), who announced her switch to independent in December but still caucuses with Democrats.

  • Asked about becoming an independent later that month during a CBS News interview, Manchin said, "I'll let you know later what I decide to do, but right now I have no intention of changing anything."
  • There were rumors as far back as 2021 that Manchin may bolt the party – though he dismissed them then as "bull****."

What we're watching: Manchin faces an uphill reelection battle in a state that voted for former President Trump by nearly 40 percentage points in 2020. The frontrunner in the GOP primary for his seat is popular Gov. Jim Justice.

  • Manchin has spent the last year distancing himself from President Biden and fellow Democrats, repudiating parts of the Inflation Reduction Act and even threatening to oppose Biden's Environmental Protection Agency nominees.
  • He may also decide to go another way. He headlined a New Hampshire town hall last month hosted by No Labels, a centrist group that is laying the groundwork for a potential third party presidential ticket.
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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Progressives were right about him. Any centrist Democrat who spent any time at all pretending his shit didn't stink: don't you dare start speaking ill about him now. He's exactly the same piece of shit you knowingly defended for years because he was killing progressive legislation for you.

Face, meet leopard. Leopard, face.

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The last presidential election WV voted blue in was in 1996.

I'm pretty certain he's the only remaining Democrat in statewide office there. The state has been moving really far Republican in recent years. Trump got over 68% of the vote.

The other senator, a Republican, got 62% of the vote in 2014 after Rockefeller retired, and 70% in 2020 against a Sanders-endorsed progressive.

Manchin obviously isn't progressive, and has never been progressive. I'm not sure that he would have survived until now if he were. Is having an independent Manchin worse than the likely alternative of having a Republican replacement? He votes with the Democrats about 87% of the time, while Capito does only 56%.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I keep hearing the same excuses from people who love how much Manchin has fucked over working people.

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, I just don't see him being replaced with anything better. I think it's better to worry about the things that could reasonably be changed, and to pick your battles.

I can see e.g. replacing Susan Collins, Krysten Sinema, or Ron Johnson with a real Democrat. Ron Johnson won his race last year by literally 1%. Texas turning into a swing state is a long shot, but is at least plausible. There's places where Democrats can do better electorally. West Virginia ain't it.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

So we should stop wasting money re-electing Manchin and use the money on races where better candidates are running.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As someone with progressive ideals, fuck Manchin. He's utterly detestable. Provided he doesn't stab us in the back though, I will very unhappily advocate for his reelection however. None of the bills thus far could've passed with McConnell as majority leader, and if Manchin wasn't there, that's what we'd be looking at. The slimeball even authored part of the Inflation Reduction Act, which he's trying to distance himself from.

So long as he keeps voting Democrat, I'll reluctantly consider him an asset -- an asset that'll trash talk Democrats, vote against Democrat goals, and vote for shit heel Republican supreme court justices. Even as a Democrat with the most liability, he's worth it just to keep the Senate. I utterly detest McConnell far more than I dislike Manchin.

Of course all of this goes out the window if he completely betrays us or we find a viable candidate to replace him. Until as we find another Democrat who can win in WV, we're stuck with him, unfortunately.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Of course all of this goes out the window if he completely betrays us

"Us?" Maybe he hasn't betrayed you, but he's betrayed everyone to the left of him.