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Yes let’s ‘both sides’ the two political parties.
That’s an intelligent and highly reasonable position to take given one party tried to overthrow the government in an attempted insurrection and the other didn’t.
Gosh golly gee, I really can’t separate them, they truly are as bad as each other!!!
The both sides argument is simultaneously a shitty argument and kind of true.
It's like you have the choice between being stung by a wasp on your arm or being stung on your urethra. One is clearly preferable to the other, but they are both still fundamentally the same shitty experience.
Except that it is not true.
The promulgators of the ‘both sides’ argument is conservatives. Why? Because they benefit from making Democrats look as shitty as they do.
It’s how you get people to vote against their own self interest.
Convince them to give you, a wolf in sheep’s clothing, a chance because I can’t be any worse than the other guy, right?
If you honestly believe both parties are just as bad as each other then conservative propaganda has worked on you.
PS. I am not a democrat and I don’t like them as a party but when one side of US politics can give rise to a person like Bernie Sanders or AOC and the other puts forward Donald Trump you can’t honestly still think they are the same.
I mean I literally said that much in my comment.
Republicans are obviously and undeniably the worse party.
But dems are still pro cop, pro war on drugs, anti-union, pro wall street, pro billionaire, pro fossil fuel,etc etc. And you kention beanie sanders but the democrat party actively suppressed him and fucked with the primary rules to make sure he won't get into power. They are still just the status quo, rich and powerful enabling neo liberals, that like to dress up as progressives by making token gestures that don't really matter.
So I will obviously vote democrat because they will do by far less harm, but it's still just choosing to be stung on the arm rather than stung in the urethra.
I think the wording is the problem. You seem to agree on the issue, but for them, "both sides" means both sides are the same amount of bad, and for you it just means both sides are bad.
The point is, both sides are bad. But as you both say, Republicans are undeniably a thousand times worse than democrats. So saying "both sides" is still bad in my opinion because it implies it wouldn’t make a difference and both sides were the same amount of bad.
That was what I was trying to convey in my original comment. "Both sides" is both stupid argument and true, depending on what context you're using it in and what point you're trying to make with it.
"Well both sides are bad so im just going to not vote/ vote republican since it doesnt matter" - Bad argument
"Both sides are bad, so we shouldnt assume voting dems into power is actually going to fix our problems" - good argument.
I live in India and we still have socialism in place in many things , while we have our problems , when I see america specific problems that we dont have in India , they are mostly rooted in corporate greed , and since both dems and gop are funded by the rich , they will always have a position that is rather right leaning !
Not a Crip, but using their talking points?
Democrat or Republican look the same to working class people, they get into power and help themselves and give crumbs to rest of the plebs to keep them fighting each other.
They have similarities, for sure. But yeah treason and culture-wars (in lieu of constructive policy) are notably more prevalent with one party.
More and more working class people have stopped falling for the false narrative of the lesser evil spiel.
We will proudly vote our conscious, 3rd party, doesn't matter if swing state or not.
The bloods and crips will have to get better at convincing people to vote for them just cause less evil.
Yeah ok tankie.
Thanks, I guess...
Goodness, I hope proudly voting third party will salve your conscience when LGBT people are sent to concentration camps.
Scare mongering will not help.
We need to stop dividing ourselves by culture and identity politics.
We shall be stronger when we fight the class war that is going on.
Working class vs. the wealthy is the real problem.
Thanks for your input.
They will by then be caught up in conspiracy theories
Everything is a conspiracy until it is proven it is not.
Look at the military leaks and you will learn more on what was a conspiracy.
Imagine being this privileged. I guess you don't need insulin, are LGBT etc?
IME the far left (once you get to the “China is a perfect communist utopia” part) are as bad as the far right. They’ve got this puritanical fervor on both sides where I’m pretty sure genocide is part of the strategy.
They’re both intolerable and intolerant people.
But the difference is in the parties. The far right controls the entire Republican Party, and the far left are treated like the insane people they are in the Democratic Party.
It literally is a party of insane people doing insanely awful things, or a flawed group of people trying to do the best they can for everyone. And morons like this guy are trying to make them look the same.
If you're as "far left" that you support dictators and don't even like democracy then you're not left in my opinion.
I mean, if you imagine left and right more of as a circle that connects, it all makes a lot more sense. The center of the line becomes the top of the circle that gets more extreme until you have fascists and authoritarian communists sitting next to each other, hating each other, but also looking mostly indistinguishable to anyone further up the circle.
Unironic horseshoe-theory argument as if that shit isn't laughable on its face and gets regularly refuted. Fascism was not and is not opposed by centrist liberals. It's opposed by leftists.
Stupid take
Name calling... thanks that helps...
To the working class they do look the same, crumbs for plebs to keep us fighting and the wealthy keep on doing what they do.
They don’t look the same at all to the working class, and the fact that you’d even suggest that makes me think you’re not being serious and this is just some Russian troll account.
Russiagate was proven false.
Not sure why people keep falling for it.
We are in different bubbles...
Am LGBT, am not a reliable Biden voter. I think I'm pretty privileged- and in a lot of ways my "LGBT status" has been a privilege.
We are all privileged, not sure how trying to out victim someone helps.
Minorities are always targeted.
Working class struggle is the focus to get more peopke to join and not divide us, status quo voting will not help.
Long term vs short term solutions.
Lol this guy thinking either party is gonna notice and strive for his attention. You need to be a popular movement to matter.
Where do you think the Bernie/AOC supporters are going? They are slowly leaving the crips gang and not going back.
Look at on the ground activists and see what they say.
Older people are blue not matter what but not the younger generations.
Lol as a Bernie supporter that knows several Bernie supporters. We like the Democrats. They are objectively doing a good job considering their lack of a majority. Bernie an AOC wouldn't be getting much different done anyway. The biggest fault of the democratics is they don't go far enough but they are stillaling progress.
Perfect shouldn't be the enemy of good. Especially when fascists will absolutely destroy the country
I also know working class Bernie supporters who are done with the crips.
Slowly moving away from the two party system, it will take time.
Lemmy was not built in a day.
Fascists are not stopped by lying about how great Biden is doing and the reality of the working class struggle.
The system is cemented into 2 parties. Thrown away votes just enable a worse outcome. You can't wish more parties into the current system. Also think about it. If we had more than 2 trump would have 100% got re elected.
Bidens doing good. We got out of Afghanistan. He's helping Ukraine. The inflation act was a great win forcing a minimum tax on massive corporations. He did all he could on student debt and minimum wage. The infrastructure bill was a win. He wouldn't sell offensive weapons to the Saudis
Bernie would have gotten the same amount done. Dems never had a hold of the Senate.
Biden is literally the most left president we've had in modern history. That in itself is sending a signal. You're competing with a 100 million people. Getting as left as Biden is solid progress and the only realistic route to further progress.
I guess more and more of us will keep throwing away our vote for the long term and not the short term.
You sound like a democrat apologist with those talking points.
Biden is not the leftist president, he is a republican in the blue team.
Student debt was possible, you need to learn the proper way it should have been done, and stop believing what politicians tell you.
More and more lol. Y'all shrinking. So delusional