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They recognized it as part of Ukraine on independence and then reaffirmed it with the Budapest memorandum. They have no claim, it was naked aggression
They altered the terms of the deal. I think they expected to being able to keep their main fleet headquarters and have friendly relations with Ukraine, not a nato armed country on their doorstep 🤷
But this is the problem: You think that Russia should abide by moral arguments of right and wrong, while the US and Nato clearly isn't. They are pursuing their own geopolitical agenda, but you judge them with two different sets of values. "Russia can't be trusted because they are inherently evil! Diplomatic solutions are useless!"
The result is war, a country destroyed, many lives lost, many refugees, a century of debt and neo-liberalism for those that survive. That is the result. And there WAS a diplomatic solution on the table.
So Gen Z and Millennials are just as susceptible to cries for "total war" as all the stupid Muppets that came before them. So fuck you for being just as stupid as our generation 🤣
They did you know that Ukraine is one of the big bread baskets of the world? This might come in handy when climate change creates food insecurity. Luckily our motivations are purely altruistic and based on higher morality...
This is incredibly revisionist. Ukraine very much wanted and tried to remain friendly with Russia, and Russia losing the lease on the ports was never in question before Russia invaded.
It was Putin who demanded Ukraine choose between Russia and Europe, and then invaded Crimea and the East when he didn't like their choice.