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Four justices appeared absolutely determined, on Wednesday, to overrule one of the most consequential Supreme Court decisions in the Court’s entire history.

Chevron v. National Resources Defense Council (1984) is arguably as important to the development of federal administrative law — an often technical area of the law, but one that touches on literally every single aspect of American life — as Brown v. Board of Education (1954) was important to the development of the law of racial equality. Chevron is a foundational decision, which places strict limits on unelected federal judges’ ability to make policy decisions for the entire nation.

As Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson said during Wednesday’s arguments, Chevron forces judges to grapple with a very basic question: “When does the court decide that this is not my call?”

And yet, four members of the Supreme Court — Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, and Brett Kavanaugh — spent much of Wednesday’s arguments in Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo and Relentless v. Department of Commerce speaking of Chevron with the same contempt most judges reserve for cases like Plessy v. Ferguson (1896), the pro-segregation decision rejected by Brown.

The open question is whether the Court’s four most strident opponents of this foundational ruling can find a fifth vote.

None of the Court’s three Democratic appointees were open to the massive transfer of power to federal judges contemplated by the plaintiffs in these two cases. That leaves Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Amy Coney Barrett as the two votes that remain uncertain. To prevail — and to keep Chevron alive — the Justice Department needed its arguments to persuade both Roberts and Barrett to stay their hands.

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 42 points 9 months ago (6 children)

so the senate is fucked with regard to representation and now the supreme court is absolutely fucked with regards to representation.

who is spose to represent me again?

i still get my 1-2 votes to solve this mess? oh right, that doesnt work that away.

yay democracy.

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

who is spose to represent me again?

If you have at least $100M, all 3 branches of government will go to bat for you.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Democracy is great, but unfortunately USA is a very flawed democracy.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

its been quite painful watching a lot of progressive action replaced with regressive action due to conservative billionaires poisoning the minds of half the country

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes, that's part of being flawed, that billionaires can buy elections. That and a 2 party system driven by first past the post, which is not really democracy either.

[–] SteveCC@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

RepresentUs has a thorough comprehensive plan - https://represent.us/

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Corruption is absolutely an important issue, but it's not enough to fight corruption to fix a democracy that breeds corruption.
It's absolutely a valid cause, and may help the other things getting fixed too down the road. It seems to me many democrats are ready for a better democracy, but not so much for the elected politicians.

[–] SteveCC@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Thanks.

Corruption - dark money, etc is just one part of what Represent Us is working on. Many think that the push for RCV is the most important.
Ending first past the post elections might end a lot of corruption and party domination.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I wish all the best for all who work to protect and improve democracy in USA, I have always loved USA, but it's very difficult to love a country that elect Trump for president.
And I believe it only happened because there are only 2 options, which removes balance from the debate, and silences minority interests among many other negative impacts compared to a better functioning democracy.

[–] JakoJakoJako13@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I've been thinking about this for a while. We really are at a point where taxation without representation should be examined. There's always the suggestion of a general strike to force them to function, but I think the easier and more destructive method would be to not pay taxes en masse. It would take organization to get the whole country to do it but there's already a set date and way to disrupt the system that involves you doing nothing. Simply don't file. What happens if nobody files their taxes? What happens if the system grinds to a halt because they chose to collect the most money from the lower tax brackets and let the big corpos run free? On the flip side what happens if everybody doesn't file taxes and the system grinds on anyway? Then what's the point of taxes? Wouldn't that really expose the lack of representation?

[–] jivemasta@reddthat.com 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well the problem is 99% of people have their taxes auto deducted from their check throughout the year. So not doing your taxes, for the most part would do nothing.

That's why labor strike would be doubly effective. You cut off both work, and taxes at the same time.

[–] Zorg@lemmings.world 2 points 9 months ago

And for about the same amount of people the IRS already knows everything they need to calculate their taxes. Not having prefilled tax forms you can verify or correct if you need to, is only a thing because Intuit/turboTax etc want to keep making billions.

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's why you vote every time, not just 1-2 times.

Civic duty. Betterment for mankind. Not watching your friends get murdered. Any reason is a good one as long as more fascist Republicans or enablers aren't elected.

i perform every civic vote im allowed. the 1-2 was for the national bullshit.

my point stands

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

Comedy 2nd ammendment reversal of fortune.

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Hey, Oregon’s representatives are kicking ass and taking names. I definitely got my vote’s worth with them.