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Urbit 2.0 just dropped (archive.ph)
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no excerpts yet cause work destroyed me, but this just got posted on the orange site. apparently a couple of urbit devs realized urbit sucks actually. interestingly they correctly call out some of urbit’s worst points (like its incredibly high degree of centralization), but I get the strong feeling that this whole thing is an attempt to launder urbit’s reputation while swapping out the fascists in charge

e: I also have to point out that this is written from the insane perspective that anyone uses urbit for anything at all other than an incredibly inefficient message board and a set of interlocking crypto scams

e2: I didn’t link it initially, but the orange site thread where I found this has heated up significantly since then

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[–] self@awful.systems 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

PLAN is an evaluation model for a purely-functional database.

Actually, this "purely-functional database" phrase is a bit misleading, it's an attempt to describe a novel programming paradigm for which we don't yet have good vocabulary.

this novel programming paradigm is just urbit’s badly plagiarized Nix store combined with Nix’s lazy evaluation semantics and large parts of Nix’s syntax (with pointless extra bits stuck on, as is tradition). not one citation in the whole thing, of course

and these fucking doofuses still use Nix to build their shit! they’re gonna claim with a straight face this bullshit is so novel they can barely describe it?

[–] self@awful.systems 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

but also, y’all wanna see what Lisp s-expressions look like on urbit brain?

holy fuck this one is just painful

e: imagine if Lisp looked like this fucking cacophony (a basic HTTP hello world that uses a bunch of library functions for the difficult parts)

[–] bobtreehugger@awful.systems 7 points 1 year ago

Just visually, that looks like some unholy forth dsl, rather than lisp.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 4 points 1 year ago

lol, Plunder the coherent version of Urbit, eh