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[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 184 points 1 year ago (60 children)

Well yea, countries keep buying nuclear from France because it's clean, cheap, and they don't want to suffer the political backlash from the science lacking environmentalists which come forward when they talk about building nuclear on their own land

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 139 points 1 year ago (3 children)

German green party

Nuclear plants:🤮

Carbon plants (that actually produce more radiation that nuclear plants): 🥰

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They have spurred on the solar/wind movement successfully though, albeit whilst using coal as a crutch. Even so, without the greens, alternative energy might never have been a discussion in a country like Germany which is positively obsessed with gas and cars

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Germany co2 emission for energy is 3 times that of France thanks to ecologists!

[–] snaf@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem is replacing nuclear with renewables does nothing to combat climate change. We need to be reducing fossil fuels. At the very least, they should have phased out coal before nuclear. While france was busy reducing its dependence on coal, Germany remains the largest producer of coal in Europe.

[–] scratchee@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

You’re certainly right that their handling of nuclear was inefficient for reducing carbon output.

I’m pretty pro nuclear, but I don’t think that really takes away from their success in pushing renewables forward, they were a very early adopter of solar thanks to their very generous subsidies and probably helped fuel its growth at a faster rate, so regardless of their unfortunate paranoia around nuclear, they do deserve some praise. Perfect is the enemy of good, and given the speed the world has responded to climate change, Germanys mixed and painful transition was certainly not the worst.

[–] avapa@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago (11 children)

The nuclear ship had sailed long before the Green Party became part of the current government. While I also think that nuclear power is a much better alternative to coal power plants it’s simply not feasible to revert Germany’s decision when wind and solar is as cheap as it is now.

[–] Fjaeger@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not familiar with the German politics, but are you saying that Germany got rid of nuclear despite environmentalists?

[–] zielgruppe@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

These decisions are mainly rooted in the peace movement of the 80s (fueled by the nuclear missiles in Germany installed by the US) and the direct experience of Tschernobyl. Its supported by the majority in the public.

The current political decision was made by the more conversative government.

[–] Fjaeger@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the clarification!

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[–] Spendrill@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

See also: the "Atomkraft? Nein Danke" sticker that has a cartoon picture of the biggest nuclear reactor in the solar system on it. Irony: it's good for the blood dearie.

[–] derGottesknecht@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fusion is way better than fission

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