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Ukraine never joined NATO, goofball.
Are you high or something? Think this through for just a fucking second, will you?
NATO comes about as a VOLUNTARY Defensive Alliance to protect against aggressors.
Because a house decides to go in on a mutual pact with their neighbor that if an intruder invades their SOVEREIGN land, they both will meet that AGGRESSOR with overwhelming force...
... You somehow think it's fine for the burglar to break in because they put defensive security measures in place and instead should just leave the door unlocked...?
This is the dumbest fucking thing I've heard in a long time and basically means to cave to dictators outright.
Also, did you forget that Russia once had its own equivalent called the Warsaw Pact? Given your complete lack of knowledge demonstrated here, I doubt it. So what's stopping them? Oh, there's no legitimate threat and Russia is a shithole that has nothing to leverage, hence its dissolution.
Ironically, NATO strengthened because of Putin's actions lmao.
Ukraine never joined but NATO wanted them eventually, as it was getting really close allies surrounding Russia.You can’t say they weren’t trying to extend military influence to all possible Russian borders. Imagine what would happen if China tried to make a military alliance with Mexico and Canada, just to be safe cause you never know, lol. No I don’t think it justifies Putin actions at all, but it was definitely a big deal. The Russian invasion is very wrong but NATO did help in escalating the situation.
Yeah, I know about Warsaw Pact, but that was a very different time and situation, one where even NATO actually made sense. I lack knowledge of many things, but at least I'm not a dumb ass bitch who thinks NATO has a reason to exist besides intimidation of countries that refuse to be exploited by the West.
Ok. So let's forget the fact that you fucked up and either (a) lied about Ukraine being in NATO, or (b) were too uninformed to know they weren't.
What is more astounding to me is that it doesn't dawn on you that Ukraine intentionally DIDN'T join NATO so as to prevent their larger aggressive neighbor from invading... YET THEY DID ANYWAY.
So let's look at it another way: If Mexico was actually afraid of the USA, then I would have no problem with them joining a defensive alliance. But why would Mexico contribute 2% of their GDP for a nonsensical reason? Why would I or USA care remotely? The only reason to care is if we actually had intentions of invading a weaker adversary BEFORE they were buddied up with a larger nation.
These arguments are absolutely terrible and full of logical missteps. Your complete ignorance is part of the problem that strong-men dictators exploit. Educate yourself. You are very, very naive about Russia and Putin's plans. Clearly, you've never read about the Foundations of Geopolitics by Putin's right-hand man.
I'm not reading that, I just wanted to make you angry for calling me dumb and from the size of this essay I guess I accomplished that. Good luck on your future arguments with people on the internet. Bye.
You're in denial and your ignorance is getting people killed, so sorry if that sort of willful ignorance pisses me off as few things can do. That you won't read it proves you have no interest in self-improvement. Good night.
My ignorance is killing people? LMAO!! Dude I have no political or military power, I'm just a random internet nerd, cmoon. Just tell me to fuck off and get on with your life. Is not a matter of self-improvement, just different views. I'm from South America, we have a long history of abuse from the USA and their friends. I'll never see NATO as something good.
Right. We've already established: You're ignorant, and don't want to learn. You were so ignorant you didn't even know Ukraine wasn't in NATO — LMAO!
But at the end of the day, yes, ignorance like yours is distorting the narrative because people like you just aren't exactly... Deep thinkers. And your ignorance gets exploited to excuse atrocities of dictators and spur inaction. But alas, I know these words are lost on you.