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Kim Davis must pay $260,000 legal fees over same-sex marriage license refusal
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 02 Jan 2024
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Good. Your religion does not control how a government functions. You want to live in a theocracy? Go live in Vatican City or one of the more authoritarian Islamic countries. If you live in the US the policy is what the government, not your God, make it.
Unfortunately if this goes to supreme court, she'll get away Scott free. USA is becoming a theocracy, celebrating Christian doctrine as if it was Sharia law in a muslim country.
Becoming? Always has been.
This is just an Extinction Burst.
I sure hope so.
I hope so too, and their inability to try anything new is what gives me hope that it is indeed an extinction burst.
Because extinction bursts are generally characterized by a "this is what worked before, we just have to do what worked before harder!" attitude, which generally seems to be the attitude the Christofascists have.
They're not selling any new ideas or changing tactics from what they have used in the past, it definitely seems like "just more of the same, but harder" because they don't actually have any ideas. Which tracks as an extinction burst, imho.
Which like, who expects a death cult to have any actual ideas?
I agree, but I'm disappointed that so many follow that line, instead of most of them thinking this has gone too far. Where is the point where people begin to turn back to normalcy again? I sure hope the extinction burst doesn't include a full fledged fascist christian dictatorship, that may take decades to turn back from.
Sadly, the extinction burst is us getting crazy before we kill ourselves and the EARTH (minus humans) returns to a more stable environment.
Behaviorism in my Lemmy?! I welcome it with open arms.
Hey bucko, here in JesusLand, ya'll best stay on the right side of God and his Holy Ya'll Qaeda militias, otherwise the Gays might cause another Hurricane!
Yes I understand there's that issue with gays in USA. I'm lucky to live in Denmark, one of the least religious countries in the world, and for some weird reason, also one of the most blessed by God. For some reason God likes our Gay way better than the American. Go figure? 🤪
Or maybe we are just less cursed, because God gave up on us? 😱
I don't see the court upholding wilful defiance of their own rulings.
I do think there’s a chance it won’t. There’s a strong understanding of the fact that religion can prohibit you from certain jobs due to their requirements and it would be a catastrophic issue to brush past. It could wind up with the military feeling forced to take a bunch of pacifists and respecting their refusal to aid war efforts.
Yes, the defense (and many others) industry relies heavily on science. Scientists and engineers are overwhelmingly secular. This country would fall apart almost immediately
As an engineer you’re not right about us. Yes many of us are secular, but a ton of us are religious, especially defense engineers.
What I was saying is that religions exempt from the draft don’t get to enlist, if it were ruled in Davis’s favor they’d be allowed to, and some people are little shits who absolutely would enlist to sit around as pacifists. Just in general it opens up a lot of room for bad faith behavior on all sides
A friend of mine pointed out she could have probably just claimed to have to go to the bathroom each time a gay couple arrived in that super conservative rural area and let someone else deal with it. Keeping her cough...morals....cough intact with no one being the wiser.
All she had to do was let someone else in her office issue the certificates. But like all religious bigots, she didn't understand that
The first amendment's guarantee of religious freedom protects citizens from the government. If you are a government employee, you are what the first amendment protects citizens from.
She was wrongfully enforcing her own religious beliefs on her assistants. Kentucky (at the time) required county clerks to sign all marriage certificates, or the clerk's assistants could sign their name instead. Davis could literally have refused to sign every "gay" marriage cert that came in to the Rowan county office, but as long as someone in the office signed it there wouldn't have been a problem. However, she forbade any of her assistants from signing the certs because she considered the mere act of stamping her name on one to be exactly the same as her personally endorsing "gay" marriage. So even if her assistants had no religious objections to "gay" marriage they were prevented from doing their jobs because of her religious beliefs.
So bigot gets what bigot deserves. The only tragedy to this story is that Matt Staver gets to fuck off with no consequences.