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Former Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) bashed former President Trump online and said Christians who support him “don’t understand” their religion.

“I’m going to go out on a NOT limb here: this man is not a Christian,” Kinzinger said on X, formerly known as Twitter, responding to Trump’s Christmas post. “If you are a Christian who supports him you don’t understand your own religion.”

Kinzinger, one of Trump’s fiercest critics in the GOP, said in his post that “Trump is weak, meager, smelly, victim-ey, belly-achey, but he ain’t a Christian and he’s not ‘God’s man.’”

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[–] charonn0@startrek.website 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

He's got an unrealistically high opinion of Christianity.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've got a high opinion of Christianity and Christians. I have an incredibly low opinion of "Christianity" and "Christians".

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I've also heard that no true "Scotsman"....

Edit: no, it's ok guys, I put it in quotes.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

It's not a "No True Scotsman" if the definition of being a thing is acting a certain way and you don't do that.

You can tell everyone in the world you're an ultra marathon runner, but if you don't run ultramarathons, you're not an ultramarathons runner.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was going to say... Has this rhetorical move ever convinced anyone of anything? I see Republicans pull it all the time on minority groups. "Uh, actually, all you black democrat voters are on a plantation and its not in your best interests to vote consistently for a single party." And then, when it comes time for the GOP to put up or shut up, the best candidates they can produce are Herman Cain and Tim Scott.

Meanwhile, you've got a bunch of Cafeteria Catholics from Rhode Island tut-tutting the Evangelicals down in Texas who have convinced themselves that the End of Days is right around the corner, because Donald Trump has fucked more children than your average priest. Nah, dude. That won't work any better than your boy Beto saying he's going to take everyone's guns. They're not listening to you any more than you're listening to Ben Shapiro call our California for hosting too many gay teen abortion parades.

The folks who pop off with these "By your own logic..." retorts are inevitably just preaching to their own choirs. That's before they get back to the import Congressional business of gutting public education and exporting another billion dollars of cluster bombs into the Middle East.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No. It hasn't, and it never will.

You can't shake a belief. You can change an idea, you can rationalize with opinions. But once it's a belief, nothing short of a world shattering hardship or literally putting them through the same treatment that you give to cult members is going to break them out of it.

These people have built a belief system that puts them at the top, no matter what branch of Christianity you're looking at, you're looking at the most righteous, the most correct, the most justified in their actions. If someone says to them "hey you've got it wrong" then clearly the only rational explanation is that no, you actually.

This isn't unique to Christianity, not by a long shot. Most religious systems do this. But Christianity is the unique problem we have.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

This isn’t unique to Christianity, not by a long shot.

In order to believe that, you'd have to believe Christianity really was magic. Nah, its an ingrained feature of the human psyche. One reason why "get'm while they're young" is such an effective movement-building strategy.

But Christianity is the unique problem we have.

Even within the greater sphere of Christianity, there are plenty of people who hold very benign beliefs. Meanwhile, being not-Christian doesn't seem to spare you from the brain poisoning. Hell, within the atheist community, we've got more than a few freaks and weirdos, too. At some level, this is far more about a particular brand of western ideology - a fundamentally fascist bent in social organization - that effectively drives people insane.