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I'm not sure if I'm too stupid, but how so?
Most of the time you have at least 256GB. It's just you 256GB=238.4GiB, and windows reports GiB but calls them GB. You wouldn't have that problem in Mac OS that counts GB properly, or gnome that counts GiB and calls them GiB.
(This is ignoring the few MB that takes to format a drive, but that's also space on the disk and you're the one choosing to partition and format the drive. If you dumped a file straight into the drive you'd get that back, but it would be kind of inconvenient)
Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:
Both the British imperial measurement system and United States customary systems of measurement derive from earlier English unit systems used prior to 1824 that were the result of a combination of the local Anglo-Saxon units inherited from Germanic tribes and Roman units. Having this shared heritage, the two systems are quite similar, but there are differences. The US customary system is based on English systems of the 18th century, while the imperial system was defined in 1824, almost a half-century after American independence.^article^ ^|^ ^about^
So why don't they just label drives in Terabit instead of terabyte. The number would be even bigger. Why don't Europeans also use Fahrenheit, with the bigger numbers the temperature for sure would instantly feel warmer ๐คฃ
Jokes aside. Even if HDD manufacturers benefit from "the bigger numbers" using the 1000 conversation is the objectively only correct answer here, because there is nothing intrinsically base 2 about hard drives. You should give the blog post a read ๐
did you miss the part where those devices store binary data?
Binary prefixes (the ones with 1024 conversations) are used to simplify numbers that are exact powers of two - for example RAM and similar types of memory. Hard drive sizes are never exact powers of two. Disk storing bits don't have anything to do with the size of the disk.
sure, but one of the intrinsic properties of binary data is that it is in binary sized chunks. you won't find a hard drive that stores 1000 bits of data per chunk.
The "chunk" is often 32,768 bits these days and it never matches the actual size of the drive.
A 120 GB drive might actually be closer to 180 GB when it's brand new (if it's a good drive - cheap ones might be more like 130 GB)... and will get smaller as the drive wears out with normal use. I once had a HDD go from 500 GB down to about 50 GB before I stopped using it - it was a work computer and only used for email so 50 GB was when it actually started running out of space.
HDD / SSD sellers are often accused of being stingy - but the reality is they're selling a bigger drive than what you're told you're getting.
Look up the exact number of bytes and then explain to me what the benefits are of using 1024 conversations instead of 1000 for a hard drive?
SSDs are.
Not even SSDs are. Do you have an SSD? You should lookup the exact drive size in bytes, it's very likely not an exact power of two.
Checked and true. 500107862016 bytes.
Still, ssds are made of n^2 chips.
The underlying chips certainly are exact powers of two but the drive size you get as a consumer is practically never an exact power of two, that's why it doesn't really make sense to divide by 1024.
The size you provided would be 500107862016 / 1024 / 1024 / 1024 = 465.76174163818359375 GiB
Divided by 1000ยณ it would be 500.107862016 GB, so both numbers are not "pretty" and would've to be rounded. That's why there is no benefit in using 1024 for storage devices, even SSDs.
The situation is a bit different with RAM. 16 "gig" modules are exactly 17179869184 bytes. https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=prime+factors+of+17179869184
So you could say 17.179869184 GB or 16 GiB. Note that those 16 GiB are not rounded and the exact number of bytes for that RAM module. So for memory like caches, RAM, etc. it definitely makes sense to use binary prefixes with 1024 conversion but for storage devices it wouldn't make a difference because you'd have to round anyway.
It's the size in bytes as the os sees it (and in SMART). And i do know how to use a calculator, thank you.
There is also no benefit to using 1000. Except to hdd makers.
There is a benefit in using 1000 because it's consistent with all the other 1000 conversions from kg to gramm, km to meter, etc. And you can do it in your head because we use a base 10 number system.
36826639 bytes are 36.826639 MB. But how many MiB? I don't know, I couldn't tell you without a calculator.
You don't have to know. It does not matter because your 8GB stick can't fit 16 512MB files anyway. Funny enough it might fit 500MB files if it is FAT32.
Being consistent with base10 systems does not matter in real world usage. Literally nobody cared before the asshats changed it.
Edit: i also understand si, down to its history. I don't live in an inch country. Computing is different then physical measurements. In computing 1024 is more "correct".
Yes there is. The addressing protocol. Sectors are 512 (2โน) bytes, and there's an integer number of them on a drive.
That's true but the entire disk size is not an exact power of two that's why binary prefixes (1024 conversation) don't have any benefit whatsoever when it comes to hard drives. With memory it's a bit different because other than with storage devices RAM size is always exactly a power of two.