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All the ingredients are there and it won't take much to put it all together.

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[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 90 points 11 months ago (55 children)

For there to be a civil war there needs to be an army on both sides.

There isn't

[–] hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 60 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, somehow all my gun-owning friends get all awkward and quiet when I ask them how it's gonna feel to shoot at the 18yo army recruits and national guard when they finally "come for their guns." I haven't even gotten to ask what anti-drone measures they have.

Not one of them is ready for the realities of a shooting war with the American Military.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children)

I haven't even gotten to ask what anti-drone measures they have.

The answer will be "none" because unless they're ex-military, their entire contribution to any militia is usually "gun".

Most of them wouldn't pass fitness requirements nor take orders. Few of them have other skills such as first aid, communication tech or drone piloting.

Even when contributing their gun, you can't assume they know how to safely and usefully handle a weapon, or that they're mentally fit for combat, because none of that is a requirement for buying a gun.

It's a hero fantasy they've literally never thought critically about, but it's supposed to make all the mass shootings worth it.

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

And most will shit themselves and run when bullets start flying.

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[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 months ago (6 children)

What if some subset of the US military were to split off and join a hypothetical rebellion?

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

The leadership in place is very adept in the art of maintaining the status quo while eroding the baseline slowly. For there to be any dissent among the military there would have to be a very radical shift that goes against the middle. It isn't about trans rights, or abortion rights, or civil rights. Those, despite what both sides of the media will tell you, are centrist issues. The sides that have a side have already chosen their side and nothing will change that. There is no battle for the current extremes. If there were any sort of "civil war" it would be for issues that are detrimental to the foundation of the country which is constantly shifting based on the will of the leadership. I'm kind of talking in circles now, but the point is that as long as we have a two party system there will always be an enemy and a champion for both sides. It won't be until that is gone that either side will have a reason to act and a way to grab the center. Give us 20 years of partisan leadership and we'll see action. While we swap back and forth every 4-8 years no one bitches for long enough for any significant movement to form, and the military will continue to defend the middle.

[–] hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Roughly a quarter of the armed forces is under 25, the largest age group https://www.statista.com/statistics/232711/number-of-active-duty-us-defense-force-personnel-by-age/

So even if there's a split, the front lines will still be mostly people too young to rent a car.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Just like nearly every war ever fought ever: the poor young masses sent to their early graves over battles between the old disconnected elite chasing power.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Well, as long as there are no cowboys riding warheads...

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

They still need logistics. You could take your rifle but good luck with your tank, fighter jet, helicopter, or ship.

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[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

The most likely scenario is an action that causes the majority of the military to rebel such as what happened in Syria. That's partially why the military swears an oath to the Constitution and not the standing government.

For that to happen you need an inciting incident that is at least perceived to be against the Constitution by the majority of the military including a significant portion of the top brass.

We almost got there with all the January 6th shenanigans but the inciting incident involved the military sitting down and not listening to the Executive branch's unethical orders.

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