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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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Utilitarian brainworms or one of the many very real instances of a homicidal parent going after their disabled child? I can't decide, but it's a depressing read.

May end up on SRD, but you read it here first.

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[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

that is a lot of suffering and I'm glad someone in that much pain can address it how they choose

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

i'm not

edit: i mean, to be less pithy; in the vast majority of these cases, "choice" is an illusion, there is intense pressure directed at the disabled and there is nothing to be glad about when you see a society offer death before they offer genuine help and accommodation. and i don't even want to contemplate the particular politics of this one.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

yeah, the pithyness about your preference having had control over my life is not really appreciated. I understand your point of view tho

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I understand that it's a touchy subject but my point is that it's a political issue and not a question of mere personal preference. It infuriates me the way this subject is treated outside of disability activists so I'll recuse myself here. Apologies.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

whose personal preferences are or are not permitted to be carried out is in part what politics is, so I certainly wasn't claiming it's 'not political' or in your slightly diminutive phrasing "mere personal preference." nor am I unaware of the history on this, or the individual realities of parents etc killing their charges, or of the systemic realities of all sorts of types, especially capitalists, being perfectly happy to substitute killing people off for support. none of that justifies trivializing intense suffering with flip comments like "oh she didn't get over it after a few years." that's an unbelievably callous description of how painful just existing can be for some people, and it's personally shocking to me how lightly you treat taking away something that would have spared a younger me from a whole lot.

[–] Zoop@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

This is gonna sound stupid, especially because I'm in too much pain right now to be able to find my words right to better explain myself and my thoughts, but I wanted to say I appreciate you. And agree with you. And I'm sorry you've suffered so much.