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[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 62 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Huh. I would have bet Lemmygrad would be up there somewehre.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 60 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Places like Lemmygrad and Hexbear are actually pretty benign. They're just on the verge of being acceptable to people so they make a lot of noise and cause a lot of drama but in terms of the actual bad actors... well, as you can see, they don't even rate.

[–] neidu@feddit.nl 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Agreed. While I tend to disagree with most of the viewpoints coming from lemmygrad, at least the content is posted with benign intent. The room might stink, but nobody intentionally shat on the floor.

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 5 points 11 months ago

The room might stink, but nobody intentionally shat on the floor.

I like this figure of speech a lot, stealing it 😁

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Meh, I don't really find the open mass murder fetish benign at all. I don't care what color your fash is, it's still abhorrent.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I guess it's slightly better that they're mostly honest deniers instead of "they had it coming" types.

I think. I personally find it refreshing in small doses to deal with people that actually know what the fuck they're talking about in terms of political theory, some of the shit .world users will say is...

Upsetting, intellectually.

Of course, so is talking to a genuine Stalinist.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

My experience with hexbear has been pretty fucking far from them knowing political theory, outside of one very specific niche they can kind of articulate as long as you don't ask them to reduce any of it to fundamentals or first principles.

As far as I can tell, their one trick is quoting books they haven't actually read, assuming nobody else has read them either. I've literally had this same interaction three or four times at this point, over books which don't say the things they think they say. Like multiple people arguing that some Chomsky work supports their orthodox ML theory.

You can literally get them to argue against the works they are trying cite by quoting them. It's amusing for a bit, but then it's just sad.

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[–] smeg@feddit.uk 54 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think this highlights what people think when they hear "defederating" vs its actual purpose. It's controversial when it's between serious instances that people actually use but with wildly incompatible opinions, but there's very few objections when it's blocking CSAM!

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Okay, yeah this was my thought as I wrote this, I won't deny it. But to be fair, LemmyGrad does more than just to be controversial. They provoke and brigade and justify terrible Crimes against Humanity. And I might bet that some of the Stuff they say could even be illegal here in Germany.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 14 points 11 months ago

I imagine most of the big servers have them blocked but it's probably the individual servers that make up the majority of the numbers. If you're self-hosting then you can just ignore instances you don't like and be relatively confident they won't hassle you. The other kind though, probably want to preempt them!

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

It is trivially easy to find examples of them wanting to nuke the US or kill all liberals or defending Soviet and Chinese pogroms, etc. I don't understand how that's really any different from saying "kill all Jews" or advocating for slavery tbh. As far as I can tell, the line exists because edgy redfash are mostly marginalized so nobody takes them seriously?

[–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'd imaging its fur and anime, not CSAM.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Fur, anime, and CSAM groups have a not so insignificant overlap of members sometimes, sadly.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 5 points 11 months ago

Judging from some of the other comments in this thread I'm not so sure

[–] deleted@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think lemmygrad isn’t that bad considering pedo.school is halfway through the list.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (4 children)

True, but LemmyGrad can be wild too. I met one who claimed being Homosexual is imperialistic. https://lemmy.world/post/4494303

[–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 47 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Ah yes the urge to kiss boys and conquer territory

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 12 points 11 months ago

Conquer that ass booiiiii

[–] Arelin@lemmy.zip 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Isn't that a .world user? Lemmygrad doesn't allow homophobes as a rule. Probably why they couldn't register on that instance.

Being gay and imperialist is a hilarious thought though lol

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

When you are a queen but want to be THE Queen.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

Lemmygrad and Hexbear most definitely do not tolerate homophobia, though, so I don't think that user would've lasted long there if they were a lemmygrad user.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

I mean that's a very wacky and stupid opinion but go on any one of those servers in that list and you'll probably see much, much worse things being claimed about gay people and not just by one person.

[–] Arelin@lemmy.zip 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I bet a large part of the Fediverse are Communist/Socialist too, or have similar ideas. Lemmy's devs are, after all.

I mean, the whole thing is based on the idea of being free to use for everyone.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I see your Point. I see myself also as rather left. But the People over at Lemmygrad are not really left imo. They are authoritarian, for sure. But left? I don't know. I don't want to claim to be the sole "Incarnation of leftism" it's just that many of my views and beliefs are the opposite of theirs.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

The spectrum is more than left and right, I know political compass memes on Reddit got taken over by nazis but there is legitimately a whole compass. Stalin is somewhat center left, nudist hippie communes are lower left corner

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There is, for better or worse, authoritarianism on the left. "You will be fed and given a place to stay and personal safety... or else!" Even in its more benign forms (ex Bolshevism) it's kinda bad imo. When it gets extreme it gets... well... being an English speaker i'm sure you've heard all about it.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Not really, but I'm actually not a native English speaker tho 😅

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[–] Arelin@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Being vehemently against racism and fascism is left. It's the logical extreme opposite of "a certain group of people are superior to everyone else": "everyone is equal and their basic necessities should be provided for free"

You just seem to disagree with the folks over on grad and Lemmy devs on how that can be achieved, and maybe to what extent it should be. They believe an authority is necessary to enforce those rules, or you get corporations and billionaires steering the government to wage wars for profit from oil, materials etc. like what's happening now.

Personally, I see being pro-China like they are on grad as much less worrying than being pro-US, the latter of which I have a feeling .world mods wouldn't block because of their inherent western bias. Only one of the two have constantly invaded other countries for their resources, or overthrown democratically elected foreign governments to replace them with military dictatorships.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago (20 children)

Only one of the two have constantly invaded other countries

The People of Tibet might disagree there. But this is a discussion for another Time.

I'm not pro US either, tho. I just call out evil when I see it. And that's my Problem with Lemygrad. They seem to believe there are only two sides. I can say America does bad things and China, Russia etc. does bad things. They pick one side and argue and justify away the crimes "their" Side has done. And that's not how we come forward. Evil is Evil is Evil. No matter who does it.

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[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I would say pro Putin people can't be called leftists they are nazis in red.

[–] Arelin@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I don't think they're pro-Putin? Seem to be as much against Russian imperialism and capitalism as they are against US's.

Edit: Lmao one of the first comments I saw on there:

Putin will be a narcissistic fence sitter who abuses power for his own ends

So yeah, not very "pro-Putin"

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

and I saw some very pro Putin shit in places like chapotraphouse,even people for the genocide of ukraine

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I do wonder how much of that is Russian psyop. I feel like the whole chapotraphouse thing was started or at least very influenced by bad actors and propaganda bots. That place was a shitshow, for sure.

[–] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Probably none of it, but knowing how Russia is that wouldn't surprise me. That's just how tankies are, no need for russian intervention. They're just as bad as Nazis for "that genocide didn't happen, but if it did they deserved it" type shit

[–] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (12 children)

"I found literally one comment that doesn't support Putin so clearly the tankie instance doesn't support him!"

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