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[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

And yet, most people don’t want to vote for Biden. He won because people voted against Trump. I’m not convinced it will work again.

[–] specseaweed@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I do. I’m an old progressive and he’s been the most progressive president in my lifetime outside of Carter, and honestly he’s probably been more progressive than Carter.

I don’t get the ambivalence about Biden at all from anyone who’s not a hard core Republican.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Could not agree more.

[–] Necronomicommunist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I know progressiveness is a low barrier in the USA, but what makes him so progressive?

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

The Build Back Better plan is basically a list of stuff progressives have wanted for years.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/build-back-better/

[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I just believe there are better options out there that have been repeatedly snubbed by the players in power, media, and an overall systemic problem with the political system that Biden, and others like him, will never attempt to address, let alone acknowledge.

I don’t disagree with what you said, but I do believe that “the most progressive” so far is simply not good enough.

Though my problems are less about Biden directly, and more about the fact that last election and most likely the next election it is a complete illusion of choice. Do we want someone who has effectively promised to make everything worse for the 99%, or the only other name on the list?

[–] Weirdfish@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well, I voted against Trump last time, and this time I'm split. Yes, I'm voting for Biden, but that doesn't mean I'm not voting really really hard against Trump.

[–] Papergeist@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'd vote for Andrew Johnson before I voted for Donald Jackass Trump.

[–] USAONE@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Both are very similar

[–] acutfjg@feddit.nl 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Who's most people? If you understand what's at stake then you know Trump can't be your option.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 11 months ago

Not wanting to vote for Biden and voting for Biden are different things

[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Aside from anecdotal evidence, according to cnbc surveys 70% of people surveyed said Biden shouldn’t run again and of that 70%, 57% identified as democrats. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/09/majority-of-americans-dont-want-biden-or-trump-to-run-again-in-2024-cnbc-survey-shows.html

I’m not saying people won’t/shouldn't vote for Biden, but I am saying that more people will vote against Trump, not for Biden.

I don’t think any reasonable, rational person would vote for Donald Trump. The unfortunate truth is there are a lot of unreasonable, irrational people who are allowed to vote.

[–] USAONE@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Biden has been extremely effective in reversing the damage Trump did and moving progressive legislation forward. You'd be a fool to not support him.

[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Sure, but I’d be lying if I said he was in my top 3 choices.