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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 31 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The common talking points these days are either, "DeMoCrAtS aRe FaScIsTs, ToO!" or, "DeMoCrAtS nEeD tO eArN mY vOtE!"

And I'm sure the next generation will thank them for taking an ideological stand right as Fascism is trying to take over. /s

[–] Setarkus@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Democrats are fascists, too

Special emphasis on "too", of course

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Too many Democrats are to be sure. But not all democrats. Sanders and others have shown the way to fix this. The biggest issue is that we need younger people involved and running. In my state many Republicans run unopposed for several offices. As bad as it sounds. I would reflexively vote for any Democrat over a republican knowing nothing about either of the two.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We're already seeing the beginnings of that with various candidates, but I agree that we need it to happen more rapidly.

The issue, in a twist of capitalist fuckery, is that running a campaign is massively expensive, and the barrier to entry is often too high for the people who should be running for office. Thankfully, there's orgs helping with that, but it's still an uphill battle.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

They can be. At the state and national level to be sure. But even with zero budget, running someone against a Republican vs letting a Republican run unopposed. We'll win infinitely more times just by trying. It should start with smaller offices. And work up from there.

Also, outside of presidential election years. We should donate to a group or groups that back and fund Democrat opposition to Republicans locally. Even if we have to make those groups ourselves. At the national level they've largely given up on many states. So donating to them often does little at home.

Democrats need a new younger bench. And this is a way to fix both the age and fash friendly issues at the same time. Perhaps then we can start to address things like getting money out of politics etc.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

Forget running, they need to be voting.

Sanders lost both primaries due to Millenials and Zoomers being so allergic to turnout that they even turn their noses up at their own guy in the primary.

This is easy win territory for young voters, the gap between current performance and just matching their share of the general population alone would push the DNC significantly to the left, let alone if they started showing up with the easy dominating share they could take if they spent half the effort turning out for the cause that they do painting signs and tweeting about it.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

We act like Democrats actually doing something to earn votes is impossible.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not at all. But it sounds like you think they haven't done anything.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

I think that Democrats appear very weak right now because they're not taking the drastic steps that are needed in order to fix a lot of the existential threats that America faces.

I truly believe that we cannot engage in capitalism as we are currently and still hold on to the planet in the face of global warming. And I don't see anyone in US politics or even global politics willing to make the drastic changes needed to literally save for the planet.

So no, I don't really think they're doing what they need to be doing right now, and it's disheartening.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

Centrist Democrats take the very idea as a greivously offensive blasphemy against all they hold dear.