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I just hope representation continues in media. My daughter came way after Ellen and I think she's still too young to really get into Harley Quinn (I don't mind the language or the violence, I just think a lot of the plot, especially the references, would go above her head), but I hope eventually she'll find people on TV that represent her.
I've been showing her Daria. I keep thinking how much better a show it would have been if Daria and Jane's friendship developed into love. The way it's written, I kind of think the creators wanted it to go that way.
Oh there's a show called Queer As Folk that has a UK and US version. Honestly I prefer the US one which is rare but it's really good. Probably not age appropriate for your kiddo but you might enjoy it. It's a drama about gay people, in the gay community, and the shit we have to deal with. Straight characters are essentially background characters. Apparently they are doing a reunion or something which I almost lost my shit over when I found out about. Gay teenaged me loved that show. Made me feel normal for the first time.
I haven't seen either version, but I've heard very good things. Britain has been more accepting than America (although there's obviously still a lot of bigotry) because there have been some very famous gay actors and comedians in the country throughout the second half of the 20th century. There were two openly gay characters on a very popular 1960s radio sitcom (radio is still a very popular dramatic and comedic medium in the UK) called Hancock's Half Hour. They spoke in Polari, which was well-known as a coded language in the British gay community. Kenneth Williams, who played one of them, was beloved by the British public and he made absolutely no secret of his sexual orientation.
And, of course, there's been a long history of men and women in drag in the UK. Christmas pantos always involve men dressed in women's clothing and women dressed in men's clothing and it wouldn't be Christmas in Britain without them.
Probably makes sense why I loved so much British TV as a kid and still do today. Most of the comedy I watch/listen to is UK based. Mostly because I see way more LGBTQ+ people there and that they aren't treated like the butt of a joke. Or that people don't freak out. Like I was watching Would I Lie To You the other day and one of the lies was someone saying "I only took one guitar lesson because my teacher was too hot." The first question from the opposing team was "Did you find her attractive?" And then, barely a beat later "Or, him attractive?" Instead of immediately feeling like he needed to prove his sexuality, the other dude just says "I'm recently married. They were a threat."
It's those tiny things. The big grand gestures are nice but don't mean anything by themselves. Anyone can do something big. But letting the small things like that go through and just being a kind person like that all the time? That shit is seemingly inherent to a lot of UK comedy but non-existent in the US and Canada.
Have you watched Taskmaster? Not only is it incredibly funny, but last season they had a nonbinary comedian on the show and this season there are two gay people, a man and a woman. One of them is Julian Clary who is very frank (and very funny) about his homosexuality and has brought so much value to the season. For other reasons too, but that has always been a big part of his comedy and it's a lot of fun.
More interesting to me was the situation in the show Never Mind the Buzzcocks whose host, Simon Amstell, came out between seasons. No one seemed bothered by it.
Julian Clary I'm familiar with. Didn't know that about Taskmaster overall though. Gotta definitely check that out. Also yeah I forgot about that Simon moment too. Really no one gave a shit. QI is another great example. Both hosts have been gay and both hosts were never given shit for it.
Definitely check out Taskmaster. It's become one of my favorite shows. A group of comedians are given very silly tasks to complete- for example, getting three yoga balls up a steep hill or making a meal where all the ingredients start with the same letter. The comedians on the show have all been top level talent from around the world. The nonbinary comedian was Canadian, so you might have heard of them- Mae Martin. Their deadpan delivery cracked me up.
I've seen clips from the show but just never seen a full episode. I'm a big Greg Davies fan so i'll watch anything with him in it.
Also unfamiliar with Mae but I'll check them out
I've always seen Daria as a lesbian and no one can convince me otherwise.
I loved Will & Grace growing up. I rewatched it recently and it's fucking dated with how many pop culture references there are but also they used a particular F word a LOT. Like... nearly every episode a lot. Personally I find it funny because that's how I use it and how my gay friends use it amongst ourselves like those characters do but woah. Seeing that said on TV so casually by straight and gay characters was a whiplash moment.
I don't know if my daughter sees her that way, but she does often speak in a deadpan way and is sarcastic and misanthropic (she inherited it from me!), and was at the bottom of the pecking order in a school full of idiots and assholes, so she definitely identifies with Daria anyway.
Good taste nonetheless lol
Just had an interesting bit of conversation with my daughter. I said that she's not getting enough representation in the media and she said, "well you can always headcannon them." I suppose that's a somewhat healthy attitude, but I did say to her that it would be better if she didn't have to do that and she agreed. I was just surprised by that initial response.
It's not wrong but my exhaustion comes from straight folks not recognizing us and allowing us to have representation, not so much us not having representation.
Understood.